Alternatively you can see the tutorial here
Failed every time I tried to install Linux
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It should, but it doesn't.
At least it didn't when I tried it a while ago and tried it again right now.
I don't know what is going on, I can see the page. I attached an image.
Is the porteus forum link working? Can you check please.
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I tried again and this time I waited and then I got a "Timeout occurred".
We're missing something!
I did manage to retrieve the "how to" you mention for creating a dual-boot system, but your document is for Windows 11 and Porteus Linux. Do you think it would work for Windows 7 Pro and Linux?
Ray
The link now works for me.
The website is having trouble. It wasn't loading. It's now loading again.
I read your tutorial. It seems to be for Windows 11? I wonder if it would work for Windows 7 Pro?
I've gotten quite a few replies to this post. I am thoroughly confused at this point.
I suspect my Video Interface (NVIDIA GeForce 7100 is very much suspect as to my difficulties in trying to install one of the many Linux Distros.
I don't think my older PC (HP Pavilion Slimline s3620f) with its older BIOS (Phoenix Tech. ver. 5.16, 8/13/2008) is at fault.
I strongly suspect the video adaptor.
I think it is built into the MB, so if I wanted to try some other Video, I would have to install the card in a PCIe slot and then tell the setup to go from integrated to PCIe.
I don't currently have another video card (I might have one in some of the older Tower PCs I have lying around).
The problem is the other video cars would probably not be PCIe -- they would be ISA.
So, once again, I'm stumped!
I'm just not sure what to do at this point, so I'll probably just ignore the whole situation for a few days.
Ray
@rayl :-
Welcome to Linux.org.....the friendliest general Linux forum online.
As of now, it already comprises more than 40 million lines of code!
Mobile chips from this time-frame were either Quadros (enterprise workstation) or GeForce Go (consumer). And the 7-series GeForce Go range jump from 7000 to 7150; there IS no 7100 available.
My guess is that if that does have an AGP interface, that's your problem, right there.
As for the USB ports, hmm...I'm surprised it won't boot from them.
I had a 2004 Compaq Presario desktop rig - technically, an HP Compaq Presario, 'cos HP had bought out Compaq the previous year, though this machine was one of the very final batch actually built by Compaq themselves.....so far better quality components, etc.
She had a Phoenix BIOS, and she would boot from USB in the early days. but I don't think it's the 'fault' of the BIOS. During the mid 2010s, the controller chips on most flash drives began reporting themselves to the system NOT as USB flash, but as USB-HDD instead.....and many older BIOS versions couldn't handle this.
This was an industry-wide 'initiative', so was completely out of the hands of the average user. I believe it coincided with the wide-spread adoption of external, USB 3.0-interfaced portable hard-drives.
Of course, due to your machine's age, you're not going to get an updated BIOS to fix this any longer.
(We also had an ancient 2002 P4-powered Dell Inspiron lappie. This was one of the very first laptops anywhere to feature USB 2.0 booting....Dell used it for that generation of Inspirons. They were always early adopters of new technology).
I wish I had better news for you, but you're in the same position as I was.....an unfortunate combination of mostly hardware-related 'issues', which are almost impossible to 'fix' any longer.
You should, however, be able to burn an ISO to a blank DVD & boot from that. I'd be amazed if you couldn't.
Mike.
Welcome to Linux.org.....the friendliest general Linux forum online.
Well, Nvidia cards are known for being problematic at times.....and you've got the problem there that the 7100 - this is a 2006 chip - is almost 20 yrs old at this point in time. The Linux kernel supports a lot of old hardware for a long time, but even the kernel devs have to impose a cutoff point somewhere.....because otherwise, the kernel would get so big it would become unwieldy and hard to work with.
As of now, it already comprises more than 40 million lines of code!
Nope. The very fact of it being a GeForce card tells me it's a discrete card.....although the issue could be compounded, because this was the very last card Nvidia shipped with an AGP interface (and I don't think these are supported any longer).
Mobile chips from this time-frame were either Quadros (enterprise workstation) or GeForce Go (consumer). And the 7-series GeForce Go range jump from 7000 to 7150; there IS no 7100 available.
My guess is that if that does have an AGP interface, that's your problem, right there.
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As for the USB ports, hmm...I'm surprised it won't boot from them.
I had a 2004 Compaq Presario desktop rig - technically, an HP Compaq Presario, 'cos HP had bought out Compaq the previous year, though this machine was one of the very final batch actually built by Compaq themselves.....so far better quality components, etc.
She had a Phoenix BIOS, and she would boot from USB in the early days. but I don't think it's the 'fault' of the BIOS. During the mid 2010s, the controller chips on most flash drives began reporting themselves to the system NOT as USB flash, but as USB-HDD instead.....and many older BIOS versions couldn't handle this.
This was an industry-wide 'initiative', so was completely out of the hands of the average user. I believe it coincided with the wide-spread adoption of external, USB 3.0-interfaced portable hard-drives.
Of course, due to your machine's age, you're not going to get an updated BIOS to fix this any longer.
(We also had an ancient 2002 P4-powered Dell Inspiron lappie. This was one of the very first laptops anywhere to feature USB 2.0 booting....Dell used it for that generation of Inspirons. They were always early adopters of new technology).
I wish I had better news for you, but you're in the same position as I was.....an unfortunate combination of mostly hardware-related 'issues', which are almost impossible to 'fix' any longer.
You should, however, be able to burn an ISO to a blank DVD & boot from that. I'd be amazed if you couldn't.
Mike.
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@rayl :-
Welcome to Linux.org.....the friendliest general Linux forum online.
Well, Nvidia cards are known for being problematic at times.....and you've got the problem there that the 7100 - this is a 2006 chip - is almost 20 yrs old at this point in time. The Linux kernel supports a lot of old hardware for a long time, but even the kernel devs have to impose a cutoff point somewhere.....because otherwise, the kernel would get so big it would become unwieldy and hard to work with.
As of now, it already comprises more than 40 million lines of code!
Nope. The very fact of it being a GeForce card tells me it's a discrete card.....although the issue could be compounded, because this was the very last card Nvidia shipped with an AGP interface (and I don't think these are supported any longer).
Mobile chips from this time-frame were either Quadros (enterprise workstation) or GeForce Go (consumer). And the 7-series GeForce Go range jump from 7000 to 7150; there IS no 7100 available.
My guess is that if that does have an AGP interface, that's your problem, right there.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for the USB ports, hmm...I'm surprised it won't boot from them.
I had a 2004 Compaq Presario desktop rig - technically, an HP Compaq Presario, 'cos HP had bought out Compaq the previous year, though this machine was one of the very final batch actually built by Compaq themselves.....so far better quality components, etc.
She had a Phoenix BIOS, and she would boot from USB in the early days. but I don't think it's the 'fault' of the BIOS. During the mid 2010s, the controller chips on most flash drives began reporting themselves to the system NOT as USB flash, but as USB-HDD instead.....and many older BIOS versions couldn't handle this.
This was an industry-wide 'initiative', so was completely out of the hands of the average user. I believe it coincided with the wide-spread adoption of external, USB 3.0-interfaced portable hard-drives.
Of course, due to your machine's age, you're not going to get an updated BIOS to fix this any longer.
(We also had an ancient 2002 P4-powered Dell Inspiron lappie. This was one of the very first laptops anywhere to feature USB 2.0 booting....Dell used it for that generation of Inspirons. They were always early adopters of new technology).
I wish I had better news for you, but you're in the same position as I was.....an unfortunate combination of mostly hardware-related 'issues', which are almost impossible to 'fix' any longer.
You should, however, be able to burn an ISO to a blank DVD & boot from that. I'd be amazed if you couldn't.
Mike.
Some of the Distros I tried actually worked (for a while) with the GUI Desktop using the GeForce 7100.@rayl :-
Welcome to Linux.org.....the friendliest general Linux forum online.
Well, Nvidia cards are known for being problematic at times.....and you've got the problem there that the 7100 - this is a 2006 chip - is almost 20 yrs old at this point in time. The Linux kernel supports a lot of old hardware for a long time, but even the kernel devs have to impose a cutoff point somewhere.....because otherwise, the kernel would get so big it would become unwieldy and hard to work with.
As of now, it already comprises more than 40 million lines of code!
Nope. The very fact of it being a GeForce card tells me it's a discrete card.....although the issue could be compounded, because this was the very last card Nvidia shipped with an AGP interface (and I don't think these are supported any longer).
Mobile chips from this time-frame were either Quadros (enterprise workstation) or GeForce Go (consumer). And the 7-series GeForce Go range jump from 7000 to 7150; there IS no 7100 available.
My guess is that if that does have an AGP interface, that's your problem, right there.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for the USB ports, hmm...I'm surprised it won't boot from them.
I had a 2004 Compaq Presario desktop rig - technically, an HP Compaq Presario, 'cos HP had bought out Compaq the previous year, though this machine was one of the very final batch actually built by Compaq themselves.....so far better quality components, etc.
She had a Phoenix BIOS, and she would boot from USB in the early days. but I don't think it's the 'fault' of the BIOS. During the mid 2010s, the controller chips on most flash drives began reporting themselves to the system NOT as USB flash, but as USB-HDD instead.....and many older BIOS versions couldn't handle this.
This was an industry-wide 'initiative', so was completely out of the hands of the average user. I believe it coincided with the wide-spread adoption of external, USB 3.0-interfaced portable hard-drives.
Of course, due to your machine's age, you're not going to get an updated BIOS to fix this any longer.
(We also had an ancient 2002 P4-powered Dell Inspiron lappie. This was one of the very first laptops anywhere to feature USB 2.0 booting....Dell used it for that generation of Inspirons. They were always early adopters of new technology).
I wish I had better news for you, but you're in the same position as I was.....an unfortunate combination of mostly hardware-related 'issues', which are almost impossible to 'fix' any longer.
You should, however, be able to burn an ISO to a blank DVD & boot from that. I'd be amazed if you couldn't.
Mike.
Most would not bring up the GUI Desktop.
The NVIDIA video is mostly definitely NOT a discrete card. If it were, I would be able to remove it from the MB slot it is installed in.
There are 2 PCIe slots on the MB; 1 is the full-sized slot and the other is a very small slot. Currently, they are BOTH EMPTY.
There is no doubt I can boot from an iso on a DVD -- I have done it many times.
If this PC were able to boot from a USB drive, there would be mention of "USB" in the setup program you get during boot when you press F10 -- there is not!
I am amazed at how many people find it hard to believe I could have an HP PC that has no USB boot capability!
This PC was released in 2008.
I think I'll try Slackware again.
Thanks,
Ray
You're welcome.
At first boot I'd boot into the XFCE desktop. KDE may be too heavy.
Update with root privileges:
Code:
su - press Enter
Type in your root password
Then type:
slackpkg update (wait for the update to finish)
Then type:
slackpkg install-new (wait as above)
Then type:
slackpkg upgrade-all (wait until finished)
Lastly type:
exit and press Enter to close the cmd-line terminal
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LMDE:-
Grub2win says they even support windows XP, currently I don't have windows 7 to test on it. But you should give a try.
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Thanks for the help. From the looks of what you suggest, it looks like you think I have an account. I don't. So far, all I've done is install Slackware. I have no account except "root", which was supplied by the installer.
Is it the case that I should create a regular user before I do anything else?
Ray
I seldom use Manjaro anymore. I see that too many folks report more issues with it than I am comfortable with.
I've been using Debian 12 with KDE Plasma.
THIS IS AN UPDATE on my adventure.
I installed Slackware 15 on my HP Pavilion Slimline PC.
When I power up the PC, this is what happens:
I get the Slackware Lilo boot screen with choices of Windows(7) and Linux(Slackware).
Both OS(s) boot with no problems.
Regarding Slackware -- all I did was the basic install: there is no user other than root. There is no sudo capability.
At this point, I'll have to add a user and then go thru the rest of the recommended things like making sure sudo works and doing the updates/upgrades via slackpkg.
After all these things are done, it's time to configure X.
I'll holler "help" if any of this fails.
Ray
This may be useful.
I don't use Slackware so I'm of no use.
Hope the link helps.
Welcome to the forums.
I don't use Slackware so I'm of no use.
Hope the link helps.
Welcome to the forums.
Thanks for trying to help.
Unfortunately, the docs pointed to by the link you provided are the ones I used.
I was OK up to the point where I tried to upgrade things as recommended by the docs you pointed me to.
After I ran the various commands to update and/or upgrade the packages, I then rebooted as instructed and when I got the login prompt, my keyboard and mouse didn't work.
Also, I noticed that the text on the screen was quite large -- not really small prior to taking the upgrade path.
No one wants to do documentation -- as a result, much of what one reads in an attempt to gain insight into some part of the Linux system, instead yields confusion rather than insight.
It's very rare to find a well written and accurate installation guide for any Linux. They are always out of date, or they assume things they shouldn't (like everybody's PC can boot from a USB drive).
I've decided to try to dual boot with Win7 and Porteus using Grub2win.
Ray
Unfortunately, the docs pointed to by the link you provided are the ones I used.
I was OK up to the point where I tried to upgrade things as recommended by the docs you pointed me to.
After I ran the various commands to update and/or upgrade the packages, I then rebooted as instructed and when I got the login prompt, my keyboard and mouse didn't work.
Also, I noticed that the text on the screen was quite large -- not really small prior to taking the upgrade path.
No one wants to do documentation -- as a result, much of what one reads in an attempt to gain insight into some part of the Linux system, instead yields confusion rather than insight.
It's very rare to find a well written and accurate installation guide for any Linux. They are always out of date, or they assume things they shouldn't (like everybody's PC can boot from a USB drive).
I've decided to try to dual boot with Win7 and Porteus using Grub2win.
Ray
If you stuck somewhere or need help post here I will try to help you as much I can, also you can registered yourself in porteus forum, where you can get help from many others, some are using grub2win for several years.
Thanks for the offer of HELP. I need it.
BTW; perhaps you could help me with this idea of dual boot using Grub2win?
I found an article on-line that purports to show how to use Grub2win to accomplish dual boot without having to setup a Linux partition -- The Title is: "Dual Boot Linux with windows 11 without USB Drive or Creating Partition".
The article suggests using a Linux distro called "Porteus" and it further suggests getting an .iso file named:
"Porteus-KDE-v5.0.1-x86_64.iso"!
The problem is, I don't believe there is such a file -- I looked in a lot of places and never found one with that filename!
I suspect people, in their eagerness to help, have made typographical errors and assuming they were notified of the error, probably didn't want to bother with correcting their work!
I did find .iso files with names similar to the one in the article, but as we all know "close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades". I f you know of a place where I can get the correct .iso file so I can try the approach mentioned in the article, I'd appreciate it if you would point me to that .iso file.
Thanks,
Ray
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