Storage density has also increased significantly. While not something you're likely to do, they now make SD cards with insane capacities at low prices. A shoebox full of 'em would be more storage then I could possibly use in my lifetime.
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Storage density has also increased significantly. While not something you're likely to do, they now make SD cards with insane capacities at low prices. A shoebox full of 'em would be more storage then I could possibly use in my lifetime.
Saved both links. Super interesting. Right now my head is swimming trying to stay on "My Goal" for 2024 - Barry will be a 2025 study.
OMG - Oklahoma - went to see it on opening week in Hollywood at the Grauman's Egyptian Theatre - (1955 or 56?) All time favorite - I have the original sound track on 33rpm vinyl - what fun!
We are talking the same thing, "where the wind come sweepin' down the plain"?
Yes, absolutely ... the only reason not to ... and then I must think, is that it's more expensive, and often that is a sign of a better solution. Not always, but in this case it is.
I would even say, no matter what OS you have, keep your OS and data on SEPERATE disks.
If the OS disk fails ... just transfer the data disk.
If the data disk fails, restore from backup because OS still runs.
It's a no brainer, really
I used to think the same of thumb drives, because they are very big and don't cost a lot ...
... and then you realize, they are super slow. So, if time is not a problem : go for it.
Yeah, can be a bit slower... wrong, they are slower. What has made a big difference is newer computers with USB 3.x and matching 3.+ sticks. But even with a USB 3.x stick, in an older system (USB1.0 - 2.0 ports) you get the slower speed.
Yeah, can be a bit slower... wrong, they are slower. What has made a big difference is newer computers with USB 3.x and matching 3.+ sticks. But even with a USB 3.x stick, in an older system (USB1.0 - 2.0 ports) you get the slower speed.
USB stands for Universal Slow Bus
No rush.
No Hurry.
It will be there when you are ready.
Take small steps and don't try to learn everything at once.
Have a great day.
Brickwizard
Well-Known Member
PATA/SATA/PCIe/USB speed 101
It doesn't matter what the speed rating of your peripheral is, or the bus speed of your computer's connectors, the peripheral will only work to the maximum speed of the slowest component, so a SATA 3 SSD on a SATA 2 connection will only run at SATA 2 speeds
the same applies to ram provided its the same type say PC2 one id 133mh and the other 1800mh then both will only attain the slower speed [133mh]
@Gainer :-
Heh. O-kayyy.....
There's a few choices. One worth looking at is the suggestion by @The Duck , above. EasyOS is the brainchild of the ex-PuppyMaster himself - Barry Kauler - the genius behind the original Puppy wayyyy back in 2002/3. Barry stepped-down from full-time control of Puppy the year before I joined the community in 2014; he handed-over development of Puppy to the community itself, along with the Puppy build-scripts (called Woof) that would let you feed a mainstream distro in at one end, and it would spit out a Puppy based on that distro at the other end. Henceforth, these were re-named to Woof-CE (Community Edition).
BK wanted to devote more time to his own projects (of which there were plenty in the pipeline. The man has a very fertile mind!)
EasyOS is 'container'-based - think Docker, if you like - and lets you run not only sandboxed applications/browsers, but even entire other OSs if desired. It's like a Puppy version of a VM, in a way.
The Duck's link will take you to Easy's own home page.
Another one worth investigating is the 'Kennel Linux' series, many of which are based on Void Linux, and exemplified by the original KLV 'Airedale'. It uses the XFCE desktop environment, and this is the brainchild of the Puppy Forum's webmaster, rockedge.....initiated by the development of another series of easy-to-use build scripts from another of our senior members, wiak.
These can be found here:-
https://klv-airedale.rockedge.org/
As for me, heh; I'm not a very good advert for the community, I'm sorry to say. Most OS adherents will insist that you should always, always, ALWAYS use the very newest, most up-to-date version of any OS (for safety, security, privacy.....you know the drill, I'm sure).
Although I usually have an install of whatever the current flagship Puppy of the time happens to be, somewhere on the system, it's rare that I actually run these as a 'daily driver'. I happen to really LIKE some of the older Puppies, and am happy to run these.....because I've long since figured out how to keep all the important bits up-to-date. Newer kernels, updated glibc, updated SSL stuff, updated ca-certs, etc, etc. All the critical stuff.
For quite some time I've been running Tahrpup64 on my main rig, which dates from 2014! I have something of a soft spot for Tahrpup, since it was the first Puppy I ever tried that literally worked OOTB on my ancient 2002 Dell Inspiron I had at that time. It 'turned me on' to Puppy in a BIG way; so much so, that within weeks I'd gone all-Puppy on every machine I had in the house. I haven't looked back since.
Needless to say, MY version of this Puppy is as secure as all the others.
I would recommend you take a look at the current flagship Puppy, BookwormPup64. This is based on Debian 12 'Bookworm' of course, and is one of the most polished Puppies yet. Roger Grider, its sole developer (radky on the Puppy forums), has outdone himself this time.....and Puppy is now starting to finally use the Synaptic package manager (which I detest, but I'm not getting into that).
BookwormPup64 at the Puppy Forums
That's the BWP64 sub-forum at the Puppy forums, where you'll find the download link for the latest release, 10.0.8.
Do understand ONE thing. All Puppies tend to be the work of single individuals, using the WoofCE build-scripts at Github, then further tailored/customized/tweaked to fit the individual's 'vision' of what a Puppy should be. There's no dev teams here, because with the build-scripts there's no need.
Puppies LOOK like they're from the turn of the century; they don't have a swoosh, streamlined, ultra-smart desktop, but that's because the work is all unseen, under the hood.....to make them as flexible & easy-to-use as possible. Like any Linux OS, the customization potential is endless. Just don't dismiss them out of hand, based solely on appearance...
You only have to look in more recent pages of the "Post a screenshot of your desktop" thread to see what some of mine look like. And I design every aspect of my desktop's appearance from scratch.
Mike.
Heh. O-kayyy.....
There's a few choices. One worth looking at is the suggestion by @The Duck , above. EasyOS is the brainchild of the ex-PuppyMaster himself - Barry Kauler - the genius behind the original Puppy wayyyy back in 2002/3. Barry stepped-down from full-time control of Puppy the year before I joined the community in 2014; he handed-over development of Puppy to the community itself, along with the Puppy build-scripts (called Woof) that would let you feed a mainstream distro in at one end, and it would spit out a Puppy based on that distro at the other end. Henceforth, these were re-named to Woof-CE (Community Edition).
BK wanted to devote more time to his own projects (of which there were plenty in the pipeline. The man has a very fertile mind!)
EasyOS is 'container'-based - think Docker, if you like - and lets you run not only sandboxed applications/browsers, but even entire other OSs if desired. It's like a Puppy version of a VM, in a way.
The Duck's link will take you to Easy's own home page.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Another one worth investigating is the 'Kennel Linux' series, many of which are based on Void Linux, and exemplified by the original KLV 'Airedale'. It uses the XFCE desktop environment, and this is the brainchild of the Puppy Forum's webmaster, rockedge.....initiated by the development of another series of easy-to-use build scripts from another of our senior members, wiak.
These can be found here:-
https://klv-airedale.rockedge.org/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for me, heh; I'm not a very good advert for the community, I'm sorry to say. Most OS adherents will insist that you should always, always, ALWAYS use the very newest, most up-to-date version of any OS (for safety, security, privacy.....you know the drill, I'm sure).
Although I usually have an install of whatever the current flagship Puppy of the time happens to be, somewhere on the system, it's rare that I actually run these as a 'daily driver'. I happen to really LIKE some of the older Puppies, and am happy to run these.....because I've long since figured out how to keep all the important bits up-to-date. Newer kernels, updated glibc, updated SSL stuff, updated ca-certs, etc, etc. All the critical stuff.
For quite some time I've been running Tahrpup64 on my main rig, which dates from 2014! I have something of a soft spot for Tahrpup, since it was the first Puppy I ever tried that literally worked OOTB on my ancient 2002 Dell Inspiron I had at that time. It 'turned me on' to Puppy in a BIG way; so much so, that within weeks I'd gone all-Puppy on every machine I had in the house. I haven't looked back since.
Needless to say, MY version of this Puppy is as secure as all the others.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I would recommend you take a look at the current flagship Puppy, BookwormPup64. This is based on Debian 12 'Bookworm' of course, and is one of the most polished Puppies yet. Roger Grider, its sole developer (radky on the Puppy forums), has outdone himself this time.....and Puppy is now starting to finally use the Synaptic package manager (which I detest, but I'm not getting into that).
BookwormPup64 at the Puppy Forums
That's the BWP64 sub-forum at the Puppy forums, where you'll find the download link for the latest release, 10.0.8.
Do understand ONE thing. All Puppies tend to be the work of single individuals, using the WoofCE build-scripts at Github, then further tailored/customized/tweaked to fit the individual's 'vision' of what a Puppy should be. There's no dev teams here, because with the build-scripts there's no need.
Puppies LOOK like they're from the turn of the century; they don't have a swoosh, streamlined, ultra-smart desktop, but that's because the work is all unseen, under the hood.....to make them as flexible & easy-to-use as possible. Like any Linux OS, the customization potential is endless. Just don't dismiss them out of hand, based solely on appearance...
You only have to look in more recent pages of the "Post a screenshot of your desktop" thread to see what some of mine look like. And I design every aspect of my desktop's appearance from scratch.
Mike.
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OMG, Mike, thank you for all the information. Lost 3-4 hours following up various links and leads on your thread.
I also poked around this site. I've been registered here about 14 days and that new to Linux... I finally clicked "Download Linux" menu item.
Of course I jumped down the rabbit hole of FAQ's and Screenshots.
"Just don't dismiss them out of hand, based solely on appearance..." Yup, beauty is only skin deep.
But what fun to look!My clock is ticking down on my Christmas goal and have to stay on task. So, 2025, exploring Puppy.
(yeah, I know me and I'll probably download Woof-CE before the weekends over... just saying)
.
@Gainer :-
Heh. O-kayyy.....
There's a few choices. One worth looking at is the suggestion by @The Duck , above. EasyOS is the brainchild of the ex-PuppyMaster himself - Barry Kauler - the genius behind the original Puppy wayyyy back in 2002/3. Barry stepped-down from full-time control of Puppy the year before I joined the community in 2014; he handed-over development of Puppy to the community itself, along with the Puppy build-scripts (called Woof) that would let you feed a mainstream distro in at one end, and it would spit out a Puppy based on that distro at the other end. Henceforth, these were re-named to Woof-CE (Community Edition).
BK wanted to devote more time to his own projects (of which there were plenty in the pipeline. The man has a very fertile mind!)
EasyOS is 'container'-based - think Docker, if you like - and lets you run not only sandboxed applications/browsers, but even entire other OSs if desired. It's like a Puppy version of a VM, in a way.
The Duck's link will take you to Easy's own home page.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Another one worth investigating is the 'Kennel Linux' series, many of which are based on Void Linux, and exemplified by the original KLV 'Airedale'. It uses the XFCE desktop environment, and this is the brainchild of the Puppy Forum's webmaster, rockedge.....initiated by the development of another series of easy-to-use build scripts from another of our senior members, wiak.
These can be found here:-
https://klv-airedale.rockedge.org/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
As for me, heh; I'm not a very good advert for the community, I'm sorry to say. Most OS adherents will insist that you should always, always, ALWAYS use the very newest, most up-to-date version of any OS (for safety, security, privacy.....you know the drill, I'm sure).
Although I usually have an install of whatever the current flagship Puppy of the time happens to be, somewhere on the system, it's rare that I actually run these as a 'daily driver'. I happen to really LIKE some of the older Puppies, and am happy to run these.....because I've long since figured out how to keep all the important bits up-to-date. Newer kernels, updated glibc, updated SSL stuff, updated ca-certs, etc, etc. All the critical stuff.
For quite some time I've been running Tahrpup64 on my main rig, which dates from 2014! I have something of a soft spot for Tahrpup, since it was the first Puppy I ever tried that literally worked OOTB on my ancient 2002 Dell Inspiron I had at that time. It 'turned me on' to Puppy in a BIG way; so much so, that within weeks I'd gone all-Puppy on every machine I had in the house. I haven't looked back since.
Needless to say, MY version of this Puppy is as secure as all the others.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I would recommend you take a look at the current flagship Puppy, BookwormPup64. This is based on Debian 12 'Bookworm' of course, and is one of the most polished Puppies yet. Roger Grider, it's sole developer, has outdone himself this time.....and Puppy is now starting to finally use the Synaptic package manager (which I detest, but I'm not getting into that).
BookwormPup64 at the Puppy Forums
That's the BWP64 sub-forum at the Puppy forums, where you'll find the download link for the latest release, 10.0.8.
Do understand ONE thing. All Puppies tend to be the work of single individuals, using the WoofCE build-scripts at Github, then further tailored/customized/tweaked to fit the individual's 'vision' of what a Puppy should be. There's no dev teams here, because with the build-scripts there's no need.
Puppies LOOK like they're from the turn of the century; they don't have a swoosh, streamlined, ultra-smart desktop, but that's because the work is all unseen, under the hood.....to make them as easy-to-use as possible. Like any Linux OS, the customization potential is endless. Just don't dismiss them out of hand, based solely on appearance...
Mike.
BookwormPup - Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
forum.puppylinux.com
BookwormPup64 10.0.10 - Puppy Linux Discussion Forum
forum.puppylinux.com
@Gainer :-
Once you have some experience under your belt, only THEN is it possible to truly appreciate just HOW different "our Pup" is (in so many ways)......and just how much more flexible she can be.
(I must apologise. This is a uniquely British trait. We've always had this habit of referring to inanimate objects as "she".......and to my mind, it's how I've always thought of Puppy, too. But 'Puppy' is very much "alive"!)
At the end of the day, the Linux ecosystem is able to remind so many people that computing CAN still be "fun". It's true, an' all..!
Mike.
Oh, there's no rush. Puppy's not going anywhere.....and neither are we. Take your time; as I keep saying not just here, but elsewhere, too, it's better for potential Puppy users to spend some time in the mainstream, and get used to how the majority of distros do things.My clock is ticking down on my Christmas goal and have to stay on task. So, 2025, exploring Puppy.
(yeah, I know me and I'll probably download Woof-CE before the weekends over... just saying)
Once you have some experience under your belt, only THEN is it possible to truly appreciate just HOW different "our Pup" is (in so many ways)......and just how much more flexible she can be.
(I must apologise. This is a uniquely British trait. We've always had this habit of referring to inanimate objects as "she".......and to my mind, it's how I've always thought of Puppy, too. But 'Puppy' is very much "alive"!
)At the end of the day, the Linux ecosystem is able to remind so many people that computing CAN still be "fun". It's true, an' all..!
Mike.
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Maybe we shop at different places? You can get a 2 TB NVMe M.2 SSD for well under $200. That's not even the cheap stuff, that's stuff like Samsung. If you're patient, you can get that drive for about half of that. (Prices taken from current offerings at NewEgg.)
That's insanely cheap, especially when compared with history.
That's less than I spend on a night out with the missus.
But, yes, memory is also dirt cheap these days. I recall when it stayed at $1 per MB for a few years.
For 200 euro I buy a 10TB USB disk, so that's 5 times the storage for about the same price. But it's not an NVMe
Hence, NVMe is expensive.
If you want I can do real life example and all with Euro/$ conversion and price per TB or MB
Let's see what is cheap then.
Hence, NVMe is expensive.
If you want I can do real life example and all with Euro/$ conversion and price per TB or MB
Let's see what is cheap then.
@KGIII :-
Remember, some of us compute on a shoestring. Literally. This is where Puppy comes into its own. Everything I've ever used has been either bought second-hand OR been a "hand-me-down" from other family members with far more in the way of disposable income. Of necessity, this is "old tech". To some, it's only fit for the scrapheap. To me, it's still got years of life left in it, and Puppy helps to extend that life as far as possible (and then some).
Some will blow more on an evening out than another's entire monthly income.....and think nothing of it.
Everything is relative. It's hard to judge what's right for another person. We can ONLY judge by our own standards, because, naturally, that's what we know best...
(shrug...)
In the 'Puppy' community, most of us don't have wads of cash to throw at mainstream solutions.....but what we DO have is immense reserves of ingenuity (and more than a fair sprinkling of highly capable coders who can usually get the same results from much older tech, simply for the "price" of a couple of hours enjoyable scripting).
And we DO enjoy doing what we do.
Mike.
Umm.....yeah. Depends on your definition of "cheap". What's "cheap" to one individual may well be beyond the reach of another.
Remember, some of us compute on a shoestring. Literally. This is where Puppy comes into its own. Everything I've ever used has been either bought second-hand OR been a "hand-me-down" from other family members with far more in the way of disposable income. Of necessity, this is "old tech". To some, it's only fit for the scrapheap. To me, it's still got years of life left in it, and Puppy helps to extend that life as far as possible (and then some).
Some will blow more on an evening out than another's entire monthly income.....and think nothing of it.
Everything is relative. It's hard to judge what's right for another person. We can ONLY judge by our own standards, because, naturally, that's what we know best...
(shrug...)
In the 'Puppy' community, most of us don't have wads of cash to throw at mainstream solutions.....but what we DO have is immense reserves of ingenuity (and more than a fair sprinkling of highly capable coders who can usually get the same results from much older tech, simply for the "price" of a couple of hours enjoyable scripting).
And we DO enjoy doing what we do.
Mike.
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Well sure, it's prohibitively expensive for the folks who live at or below the poverty line. Heck, healthy food is too expensive for some people.
However, 'cheap' is a relative term and is based on where I live and the economic standings of the majority of folks who also live here.
Otherwise, we end up being a pedantic bunch of people who have to qualify their statements to account for every other group of people on the planet. I'm unwilling to do that. It's obvious that it's from my perspective.
We can also use data... The current price for speedy storage is the cheapest it has ever been in history.
Freepoorman
Active Member
Calling me the guy who loves the sound of his own voice when you post novels each time for every one of your replies shows lack of self-awareness at best, and lack of decorum at worst.. either way I don't think you're very smart@KGIII :-
Umm.....yeah. Depends on your definition of "cheap". What's "cheap" to one individual may well be beyond the reach of another.
Remember, some of us compute on a shoestring. Literally. This is where Puppy comes into its own. Everything I've ever used has been either bought second-hand OR been a "hand-me-down" from other family members with far more in the way of disposable income. Of necessity, this is "old tech". To some, it's only fit for the scrapheap. To me, it's still got years of life left in it, and Puppy helps to extend that life as far as possible (and then some).
Some will blow more on an evening out than another's entire monthly income.....and think nothing of it.
Everything is relative. It's hard to judge what's right for another person. We can ONLY judge by our own standards, because, naturally, that's what we know best...
(shrug...)
In the 'Puppy' community, most of us don't have wads of cash to throw at mainstream solutions.....but what we DO have is immense reserves of ingenuity (and more than a fair sprinkling of highly capable coders who can usually get the same results from much older tech, simply for the "price" of a couple of hours enjoyable scripting).
And we DO enjoy doing what we do.
Mike.
@Freepoorman dial back on the attitude please or you will find yourself spending a month's vacation under those palm trees.
TIA
Wizard
TIA
Wizard
