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Oh Boy!! I think I am in way over my head. =(

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  1. ICEMAN

    ICEMAN New Member

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    HOLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEY Crappage!! You guys are way tooooo good and thorough!! Here I figured I'd be dropping into a reply or two and I once again have a about 5 full rolls of the scroll wheel to catch up on!! I really am in over my head!! LOL
    Well done and bravo but please be gentle with me...I'm a vegan. Uhmmm Virgin to all this so I'ma drop one item at a time in replies to your replies and hope you don't give up on meh. Otherwise you'll lose me in the crowd for sure. =(
    Wiz...here is a paste of the first page....

    OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
    Version 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1 Build 7601
    Other OS Description Not Available
    OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
    System Name ICE-PC
    System Manufacturer Gateway
    System Model DX4840
    System Type x64-based PC
    Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 650 @ 3.20GHz, 3201 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
    BIOS Version/Date American Megatrends Inc. P01-A3, 17/05/2010
    SMBIOS Version 2.6
    Windows Directory C:\Windows
    System Directory C:\Windows\system32
    Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume1
    Locale Canada
    Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.1.7601.24291"
    User Name ICE-PC\ICE
    Time Zone Eastern Standard Time
    Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 6.00 GB
    Total Physical Memory 5.99 GB
    Available Physical Memory 3.48 GB
    Total Virtual Memory 12.0 GB
    Available Virtual Memory 9.12 GB
    Page File Space 5.99 GB
    Page File C:\pagefile.sys


    I am still reading the 2nd screenshot and trying to figure out what you are exactly looking for Wiz. Just a quick update since my last gleeful entry of 'having no issues' since shutting down win updates. Well its back and crashed. And seems to happen when I light up LOTRO MMO and has bluescreened once and screen image frozen on the other. I think I may be into vid problems but for all I have read over the years if it is my vid card it is not behaving like what I have researched where they say the screen starts to distort first and image begins to sort of go to a white screen like snow on a TV...only with color. There's been no issues like that per say and the image quality remains the same as it always was. So I really am clued out. Sadly the rig I'd like to eventually buy if I have to is ridiculous priced (Alienware) so I am going to be a patient student of all of you and maybe I'll save this one or build a much better one cheaper with your guidance. In any event I will go back to screenshot #2 and try to figure out how to get my equivalent to you Wiz.

    ICE

    PS- I took another crack at UBUNTU the other night and actually got it hooked up to my existing email addresses on the demo copy and used the FF browser as well. So hoping I will still have access to you through that if it is a OS issue.

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    Not sure what most of that means B2 but I think it almost sounded like you have that Mint set up to run MMO gaming>> Was that the secret message?? Because if it was my problems are solved. LOL.
    I'll shelf Win7 and let her sleep and use a Linux program fully installed to run my MMO's etc. That would be just peachy!!
    ICE
     
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    I opened that response (Thanks Condobloke) and well...closed it almost as quickly. Sorry to say but that much info at this stage is way too much and I'll have to refer back to it once I get past the baby steps of my PC problems. I'm sure its a great read but AT this stage too many rolls of the scroll wheel. Us noobs should be measured in scroll wheel rolls ya know? ;-) Now back to Wiz's 2nd image request. I should have that figured out by ....uhhmm.... Monday?
     
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    Well I've been trying to get that screen since my last post and nothing is working Wiz. Sorry. I typed what you said under 'run' and nada....ugh.
     
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    Great! Thanks. Its added to my playlist and will consult once I get past these other issues and see where I am going with this...axe Win 7 or keep both.
     
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    Not sure what you guys mean by this? Are you talking about my start up black screen and into my BIOS? American Megatrends? I dunno....
     
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    Missing in there (they have it in Windows 8 and 10, forgot that Windows 7 had a few differences) is a line saying BIOS Mode, and it would say UEFI or Legacy.

    With Windows 7, 8, and 10 you can get the answer through, in your File Explorer:

    C:\Windows\Panther\setupact.log

    It may or may not have .log on the end, depending on how Explorer is set up. Assuming you have Administrative Privileges, open the file using Notepad and press Ctrl-F for Find and search for

    Callback_BootEnvironmentDetect: Detected boot environment

    It will either say EFI or BIOS , let us know which.

    Other than that, your setup config looks good for Linux :)



    @Bayou Bengal is a good bloke to learn from in many areas, including his current familiarity with Win 7 (I haven't used it for over 4 years since I blew away all Windows to go totally Linux).

    PlayOnLinux goes hand in hand with WINE (acronym for Wine Is Not an Emulator), these can be installed on many Distros (including Ubuntu) and come pre-installed on Distros such as Zorin and some others.

    They allow (ex-)Windows users to run some Windows programs, Windows games, &c - has mixed rate of success, but may work for you.



    Brian's (@Condobloke ) is a fellow Aussie, and that material is a great guide, but I understand where you are coming from.

    The Windozer is a bit like being exposed for a prolonged period to radioactivity, your brain turns to mush - with Linux you have to think a bit, but then reap the benefits.

    Crikey, I used it for 24 years, and apart from this tic in my left eye, and what was your name again? ... I am as good as gold, but some are not so lucky. :rolleyes:



    - on Paul's (@VP9KS ) Post.

    Asked and answered. The info from that 1st page you gave us is enough to go on with to suggest things like what Distro to use, &c.


    I'll double check the Win 7 side of things, or one of the others may have an answer or an equivalent. Just want to see how the partitioning is set up. Will explain more once we know UEFI or BIOS. MSDOS-MBR has a limitation of 4 partitions, so we want to see what Windows is consuming.

    Enough for you to absorb for now :)

    Baby steps - you've gotta crawl before you can walk, walk before you can run, run before you can fly. Flying is great :D

    Cheers

    Wiz
     
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  8. Bayou Bengal

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    No, no gaming here. I got burned out using Atari back in the 1980's. My wife likes Pogo though, thus her reluctance to give up Win 7. If you were referring to my brief description of my camera server failure, that was caused by numerous thunderstorms attacking my POE(Power Over Ethernet) security cameras.

    To you suspecting a video card issue on your computer, the first thing I'd do, and this is because you've allowed Windows to update all this time, is go to your manufacturer's website and download the video drivers for your computer. One of the Windows updates probably installed their driver for your card. Like I said in an earlier post the Win 7 and 8 updates are rolling updates. You accept them and you are accepting everything that is rolled up in that KB. They usually don't offer a detailed explanation as to what is contained in the update either. So, if you are experiencing BSOD, a freeze, etc., in Windows, suspect that your driver/s are the cause, not the hardware. After you reinstall the factory drivers, if you still have the same issue, then suspect the hardware. The internet is also full of reports that some Windows updates have damaged computer hardware. It has never happened to me, but I have no reason to doubt what I have read.
     
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    I think it was likely the reference to "Play on Linux", answered since, I hope :)

    Wiz
     
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    Okay B2...This too makes sense. But I have NVIDIA GeForce Experience installed which sends me the current version of my GTX650Ti drivers when they are released and currently using driver version 417.01.I had a crash recently but a whole bunch of them about a week ago and then checked the drivers and updated. I have always used the manufacturers drivers and only accepted critical updates from Windows over the years. Are you saying you think the crit updates have a driver for my GPU mashed in there with the rest of their crap they were installing? If that's possible it may make sense here. In the mean time I have turned off win update and been sitting on eggshells since.
    Bottom line is I really am going to work towards having Ubuntu as my primary OS for this rig and all new rigs if possible. The only issue I can see is the version I will choose supporting gaming. Winters can be rather lengthy up here in the big white north, the brother to the Big Tan South (Aussie) which it sounds like many of you are from and what makes me more happy is that I gather Ubuntu is also? I guess I should do my homework on that. I know for sure the Wiz is from there?? LOL With his and yours and other help I am sure I will get this resolved in years to come...hehe. In the meantime just pleased as punch to have made contact with the other half of the globe so we can keep our bookends role tight on the rest of humanity. Seems we are the only stable beings on the planet any more. But don't get me started and pardon the digression.
    Thanks for the note. Now to the bigger task at hand. Decoding the Wiz!!
     
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    PS- Everything in between here and up there^^^ I will get too after I am sure I am doing what I'm asked too.
     
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    PPS- Speaking of flying....I think I may go get my flightsuit on right now. That and a Beer might help clear the cobwebs!! ;):confused:
     
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    Eight hours from bottle to throttle, mate!:Do_O
     
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    ""Seems we are the only stable beings on the planet any more.""

    You certainly got that right !!
     
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    Yes, in the rolling update model, Microsoft rolls up their drivers for all hardware. They will do it for video cards, wifi, your Ethernet card, just pick a device and the model. Their drivers, and the telemetry software are why I turned off the Windows updates over 3 years ago. I know it's a scary thought to not update, especially if it's windows, but I'm past the three year mark with no updates, and no problems. Unless there is a really serious, known flaw in Windows, there is no good reason to update. Your computer security is really in your hands in the way you use the machine, your personal firewall, and your ISP firewall. The bad guys have to get through that to get to your computer and we are hearing almost nothing about 7 or 8 now. That's because the vast majority of windows users are using Win 10. Bad guys work on the majority, not the minority.

    Anyway, get your Ubuntu installed in a dual boot with Win 7, and do what I do. Only use the windows OS when specialized software has to be run. Delete Windows 7 as soon as you can. That happens for me late next year.
     
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    You could try it. Other than that just open your File Explorer and perform a search for

    setupact

    Chances are you don't have your Settings set to show file extensions and full path.

    What we could really use is knowing what Partitions you have on your Drive currently, used or unused.

    That means revisiting Screenshot 2 in my Post at #11 on Page 1.

    Yours will look something like this, is that so?


    [​IMG]

    SCREENSHOT 3 - AVERAGE DISK MANAGEMENT APPEARANCE, WINDOWS 7

    Have you had a play yet with Windows Snipping Tool yet? Just type it in at Start. It will allow taking a picture such as above, which default will save it as .png - you can then attach that to your Reply here, or upload it to an image hosting site (I use imgur.com but there are others), then copy the image location into your reply, as you see with my screenshots.

    I really need to see how many of those blue headed squares and rectangles you have, they are the partitions, and we could use them for all drives. Also if there is one that is shaded, like the one above on Disk Zero that says 100 MB Healthy (EFI System Partition).

    Cheers

    Wiz
     
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    I'm all in....x 24!!
     
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    That all makes sense as well. Now the question is...which 'Distro' is the best option for what I am seeking to accomplish in a dual boot enviro? If I keep Win7 on the shelf...as you say for only 'need be' operations....and I think I will if it does not screw up this PC continually after I install Ubuntu. Is it also possible to transfer my critical files and personal crap over from Win7 to Ubuntu? I have most of it on a plug in USB hard drive I think. Or does Ubuntu simply recognize the USB hard drive and incorporate it directly into it's OS after install when they make nice to each other? I have enough space to do both with the sheet of specs I left correct? If so...I read at the start of this venture there was an Ubuntu that is similar to Win7 in it's appearance and operation? I would likely go with that until such time as I am most comfortable but.... the bigger issue as stated in a few earlier posts is the gaming issue. I understand there is a version of Ubuntu that is actually suited better for gaming? Any chance that same version is the one that looks a bit like Win7? Trying to keep the kids in their seats focused on their homework here and less distractions the better. If all of that is in fact available I'd be mighty comfortable going forward with this dual boot affair!! Or at least not feel like Wylie Coyote with the Roadrunner holding the string to release an anvil on my head from the cliff above.
     
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    Okay Wiz...hope this works!

    upload_2018-12-5_18-6-47.png

    TADAAAAAAA!! LOL

    I have always just done the copy and paste deal but nice to know that tool exists. Thanks.

    Okay I will leave this with you and duck upon my return when you tell me my rig is ready for the trash heap!!
     

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