Do I lose edgelord status if moving from arch to debian?

[friend-of-linus]

You must understand that they are zeroed in on stability and not cutting edge.

Yea well that is the exact reason I want to give it a try! I am off the ain't broke don't fix it camp so the 'update all the time, just because and for new bells and whistles' of arch is pretty much the opposite of my natural state which I reluctantly went along with since it is just the distro I started on and was used to and has its other good points like minimalism and modularity which kept me there. Seems I can do the latter two by choice with most other distros though without the incessant update pressure.

 

[Brickwizard]

! I am off the ain't broke don't fix it camp

In that case, i would recommend either |Debian stable with driver pack, or Mint LMDE [ with the slightly nicer Cinnamon desktop]

 

[f33dm3bits]

Yea well that is the exact reason I want to give it a try! I am off the ain't broke don't fix it camp so the 'update all the time,

That's the one thing I dislike about Arch, it makes me compulsively update my system 10+ times a day, even though I don't have to it's just a me problem actually. Long time ago I used RHEL clones and Debian to game, I then ran into issues with some games acting weird. Then later when switching to Ubuntu LTS those same games ran without issues. Can't say if currently still the case but would think so still. Not sure if you play games on your system.

 

[friend-of-linus]

Oh that is annoying, I have made a post asking for help with the install but because I linked to the archwiki it got caught in the pending moderation snare as a new user.

Not sure if you play games on your system.

Very rarely but if I do it is very pedestrian ones like grand strategies. Star Ruler 2 I have installed but not touched it in a good while.

 

[f33dm3bits]

Oh that is annoying, I have made a post asking for help with the install but because I linked to the archwiki it got caught in the pending moderation snare as a new user.

@KGIII will probably logon sometime in the next couple of hours. I think it's after 10 posts or so that posts with links don't need to be approved anymore. It helps against spammers, which we get from time to time.

 

[friend-of-linus]

@KGIII will probably logon sometime in the next couple of hours. I think it's after 10 posts or so that posts with links don't need to be approved anymore. It helps against spammers, which we get from time to time.

Ye I already got a pm from a new generic-female-name user.

Well I will have to carry on in the arch way for now and figure it out myself! Only thing missing is being hurled abuse for asking a noob question.

It is just that I have to setup internet which is not the usual plug and play kind as it is a 4g dongle. I know how I have set it up on arch so I have to download the packages to move over to the install usb.

Only question I am having is what is the simplest way to do that given there are quite a few dependencies from the looks of things.

It will be NetworkManager and ModemManager. Now of course, being on arch, I am not able to use apt to pull them I think am I? I see there are commands for downloading a package + dependencies if on debian based system but wondering how to do it as I am not apart from the manual download of each one, one by one.

 

[Mike-BTU]

... Now of course, being on arch, I am not able to use apt to pull them I think am I? I see there are commands for downloading a package + dependencies if on debian based system but wondering how to do it as I am not apart from the manual download of each one, one by one.

Apt does not work on Arch. We use pacman.

Example, to install a package on Arch or Arch-based distros, enter:

sudo pacman -S [package-name]

... In a terminal.

Before you do that, you should update the source mirrors with sudo pacman mirrors --fasttrack 30 .

Arch has very good online documentation. I suggest that first you study it.

 

[friend-of-linus]

Apt does not work on Arch. We use pacman.

Example, to install a package on Arch or Arch-based distros, enter:

sudo pacman -S [package-name]

... In a terminal.

Before you do that, you should update the source mirrors with sudo pacman mirrors --fasttrack 30 .

Arch has very good online documentation. I suggest that first you study it.

Lol did you read any of my thread before posting where I myself have been praising the archwiki in several posts? In your haste to patronize you did not read what I was asking at all and totally missed my question.

1st I am not asking about installing on archlinux.

I am installing on debian.

My system with internet is arch.

I am asking about downloading debian packages on the arch system without installing, in order to sneaker net them to the new machine which I want to install debian on.

 

[friend-of-linus]

sudo pacman -S [package-name]

Btw this is wrong! Bad arch user. If you are so good at arch you should know it is:

sudo pacman -Syu [package-name]

Partial upgrades, which you are suggesting are sacrilege in the arch community.

Now I think you better go take a look at the archwiki.

 

[Brickwizard]

Ye I already got a pm from a new generic-female-name user.

you should have a report button if not send a PM to the mods

 

[CaffeineAddict]

Do I lose edgelord status if moving from arch to debian?

Nope, you just become normal Linux user.

 

[friend-of-linus]

you should have a report button if not send a PM to the mods

Nope, you just become normal Linux user.

Any suggestion on how I pull both ModemManager and NetworkManager and all dependencies to just save them to my usb drive (on arch...btw!)? I just checked in the netinst package list and neither are in there and would take ages to download each one and dependencies one by one.

 

[f33dm3bits]

Lol did you read any of my thread before posting where I myself have been praising the archwiki in several posts? In your haste to patronize you did not read what I was asking at all and totally missed my question.

I'm sure @Mike-BTU had good intentions in his reply. I know of myself that I sometimes misread or read over things and sometimes reply based on what I skimmed over. As well as there being people here that speak different languages and not everyone's first language is English, that's another barrier that could cause some misunderstanding.

 

[Mike-BTU]

Btw this is wrong! Bad arch user. If you are so good at arch you should know it is:


Partial upgrades, which you are suggesting are sacrilege in the arch community.

Now I think you better go take a look at the archwiki.

Maybe we both should.

pacman - ArchWiki

 

[f33dm3bits]

Any suggestion on how I pull both ModemManager and NetworkManager and all dependencies to just save them to my usb drive (on arch...btw!)? I just checked in the netinst package list and neither are in there and would take ages to download each one and dependencies one by one.

Wouldn't it be just easier to use the install dvd instead of the net-install, that way you can install offline? Not sure how you are wanting to install Debian off-line by download several packages to place on an external hard disk?

 

[Mike-BTU]

I'm sure @Mike-BTU had good intentions in his reply. I know of myself that I sometimes misread or read over things and sometimes reply based on what I skimmed over. As well as there being people here that speak different languages and not everyone's first language is English, that's another barrier that could cause some misunderstanding.

Thank you, but I just verified what I wrote against the Arch Wiki.

 

[friend-of-linus]

Wouldn't it be just easier to use the install dvd instead of the net-install, that way you can install offline? Not sure how you are wanting to install Debian off-line by download several packages to place on an external hard disk?

Well I only need the couple to get internet going then it will be away. I never said I want to install the whole debian offline, just the packages to get internet going to continue with the netinstall.

 

[f33dm3bits]

Btw this is wrong! Bad arch user. If you are so good at arch you should know it is:
Partial upgrades, which you are suggesting are sacrilege in the arch community.
Now I think you better go take a look at the archwiki.

Yes partial upgrades are unsupported with Arch but you can still do it for some time if you run into package versions that aren't working correctly, but eventually you won't be able to upgrade. That's also the reason why you can add a package to "IgnorePkg" in pacman.conf.

Thank you, but I just verified what I wrote against the Arch Wiki.

I was talking more about this.

Lol did you read any of my thread before posting where I myself have been praising the archwiki in several posts? In your haste to patronize you did not read what I was asking at all and totally missed my question.

From what I have seen in your posts you always try to help people. I was trying to cool down a situation that seemed to be going to a heated direction that's all. Or I misread the situation, could be that too

 

[f33dm3bits]

Well I only need the couple to get internet going then it will be away. I never said I want to install the whole debian offline, just the packages to get internet going.

I'm still confused what you are trying to do. But you can just search for them and then download them manually?

Debian -- Packages

 

[friend-of-linus]

I'm still confused what you are trying to do. But you can just search for them and then download them manually?

Debian -- Packages

I have written the problem with the manual approach already.

There are like 20+ dependencies +/- for each and so I would have to download each dependency, the 3 files on the right manually for every single thing. That is probably going to come to hundreds of manual clicks.

Not sure what is hard to understand? I want a way to automate that, to get the top level package and all its dependencies in an OS agnostic way, or otherwise on the arch system which does not have apt-get or whatever debian commands.