The Linux Graveyard

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The Linux Distro Graveyard — The Numbers Are More Telling Than You Think

I've been using Linux since the Yggdrasil and early Slackware days, so I've watched a lot of distros come and go over the decades. I always suspected the attrition rate was bad, but I decided to actually dig into the numbers recently — and they're more sobering than I expected.

According to DistroWatch data analyzed in early 2024, of 958 total distributions ever tracked, only 274 are still active. 637 are officially discontinued, and another 47 are listed as "dormant" — meaning they might come back someday, but don't hold your breath. That's a survival rate of under 30%. Nearly 70% of every Linux distro ever created is dead.

The peak was actually back in 2011, when 323 distros were active simultaneously. It's been a slow, steady decline ever since.

So why do they die?

I think it comes down to one thing: team size and institutional backing. And I don't just mean the classic "one-man show" problem — though that's very real. Even small volunteer teams of 3, 4, or 5 people carry essentially the same risk. All it takes is a couple of people burning out, getting new jobs, having kids, or simply losing interest — and suddenly the project stalls. No redundancy, no succession plan. The website quietly goes dark and DistroWatch updates the status to "discontinued."

Now before anyone brings up contributor counts — I want to be careful to draw an important distinction here. Package contributors are not the same as distro contributors. AUR maintainers are not Arch developers. Snap package authors are not Canonical engineers — and Snaps run on Fedora, openSUSE, and others anyway, so you can't count those as Ubuntu-specific work regardless. PPAs, Flatpaks, AUR entries — these are ecosystem contributions, not contributions to the distro itself. The actual team maintaining the base system, the kernel integration, the installer, the release engineering — that's almost always a much smaller group than the raw "contributor" numbers suggest. Ubuntu is probably the worst offender for this kind of inflated perception.

What does the real team size picture look like?

I looked this up, and the numbers are telling:

  • Slackware — essentially one man, Pat Volkerding, maintaining it since 1993. The ultimate one-man show, and honestly a miracle of dedication.
  • Arch Linux — 26 named core developers listed on their official developer page. All volunteers. That's the actual distro team, not the AUR community.
  • Debian — roughly 1,000 active volunteer developers under community governance. The gold standard for volunteer-driven sustainability.
  • Canonical/Ubuntu — approximately 1,200 paid employees as of 2024, though many are in sales, cloud infrastructure, and support rather than distro development specifically.
  • Red Hat/RHEL/Fedora — over 19,000 employees globally, backed by IBM's $34 billion acquisition. An entirely different universe.

That's not a quantitative difference between the small and large players — it's a qualitative one. Red Hat can lose dozens of key engineers and absorb it without blinking. A 5-person volunteer team loses one or two people and may never recover.

The interesting outliers

Arch is a fascinating case. 26 volunteer developers is a razor-thin team for a distro that serves as the parent to Manjaro, EndeavourOS, Garuda, CachyOS, and many others. However, in September 2024 Valve partnered with Arch developers to support ongoing infrastructure work — almost certainly driven by the Steam Deck's Arch underpinnings. That corporate interest gives Arch a safety net it didn't have before, and probably improves its long-term outlook meaningfully.

Slackware is the paradox. It survived 30+ years on one man's singular vision, which makes it simultaneously the ultimate proof of the rule and the ultimate counterexample. Pat Volkerding deserves enormous respect for what he's built and maintained. But the day he steps back, there's no institutional safety net — and whether the community could carry it forward without him is an open question nobody really wants to test.

Debian remains the model for volunteer-driven sustainability done right. Deep institutional governance, a formal constitution, a democratic leadership structure, and enough contributors that no single departure is catastrophic. If you want to know what a community-run distro looks like when it's built to last, Debian is the answer.

The bottom line

The distros with genuine long-term survival odds are those with either corporate financial backing — Red Hat, Canonical, SUSE — or deep institutional community governance like Debian. Everything else is, to varying degrees, a few key people stepping away from joining that 70% in the graveyard.

None of this is a criticism of the people who build and maintain smaller distros. It's an enormous undertaking and everyone who does it deserves respect, regardless of how long it lasts. But if you're choosing a platform for anything serious — servers, production workloads, long-term desktop stability — the team and funding structure behind it matters as much as the technical merits.

I'm curious what others think. Are there smaller distros you'd consider genuinely sustainable long-term, and what makes them different from the ones that didn't make it?
 


Puppy Linux — A Perfect Case Study in Distro Sustainability

In my previous post I talked about the 70% death rate of Linux distros and the sustainability problem facing small volunteer teams. Several people mentioned smaller distros they felt were exceptions to the rule. Puppy Linux came up, and I think it deserves its own discussion — because it's genuinely one of the more fascinating survival stories in the Linux world, and it illustrates both sides of the sustainability argument at the same time.

The origin

Puppy Linux was originally developed by Barry Kauler, designed around the idea that the entire system could run entirely from RAM Wikipedia, breathing life into hardware that most distros had long since abandoned. It was clever, nimble, and carved out a very specific niche. Barry's vision was clear and the distro built a loyal following because of it.

Barry Kauler retired from active development in 2013. Wikipedia That's where the story gets interesting.

What happened after Barry left

Most distros don't survive their founder stepping away. Puppy did — but the way it survived is worth examining closely. When Barry stepped down, the Woof build system was renamed Woof-CE — Community Edition — to reflect that it now accepts community contributions, and the Puppy Linux Team took over responsibility for keeping things moving forward. Puppy Linux

That transition is actually a meaningful distinction from most small distro deaths. Barry didn't just walk away and leave the lights on — there was a handoff, a community infrastructure, and a build system that others could use. Today there are 325 forks of Woof-CE Puppy Linux Discussion Forum, which tells you the framework itself has real traction beyond just Puppy proper.

The "what is Puppy?" problem

Here's where it gets philosophically interesting. Puppy today is less a single distro and more a family — or even a concept. You have Debian-based builds, Ubuntu-based builds, Slackware-based builds, and dozens of community "puplets" built with Woof-CE. One forum contributor put it bluntly: "I question the concept of an 'official' Puppy." Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

That's not necessarily a criticism — it's an honest observation about what Puppy has become. The forum is active as of early 2026, development discussions are ongoing, and people are clearly still passionate about it. But the question of who speaks for Puppy, what constitutes an "official" release, and which direction the project should go is genuinely unsettled. Active forum threads from late 2025 show real debate about development direction, with some contributors noting projects being discontinued mid-stream. Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

The sustainability verdict

Puppy sits in an interesting middle ground. On one hand it defied the odds — it survived its founder's departure, maintained community infrastructure, and is still alive and kicking over two decades later. On the other hand, it has no corporate backing, no formal governance structure comparable to Debian, and its identity is diffuse enough that it's hard to say with confidence who would step up if the current core contributors moved on.

I'd call it cautiously sustainable — more so than most small distros, less so than anything with institutional backing. The Woof-CE framework and the loyal community are genuine assets. But it's still fundamentally dependent on a small group of dedicated volunteers, which puts it in the same category of risk I described in my first post.

Puppy is a great example of why the sustainability question isn't always black and white. Sometimes a distro finds a way to outlive its original vision through community ownership of the tooling — and that's worth recognizing. Whether that model holds another decade is the real question.

What's your experience with Puppy? Still running it on old hardware, or has it faded from your rotation?
 
Linux Mint — The Little Engine That Probably Shouldn't Work This Well

In my previous posts I looked at the overall Linux distro survival statistics — nearly 70% are dead — and examined Puppy Linux as a case study in small-distro sustainability. Several people suggested Linux Mint as a counterexample worth examining. I think they're right, but maybe not in the way they expected.

Linux Mint is arguably the most popular desktop Linux distribution in the world right now, depending on who you ask and how you measure it. DistroWatch has had it in or near the top spot for years. A significant chunk of its growth over the last few years is almost certainly driven by Ubuntu's aggressive push of Snap packages — a move that frustrated a lot of long-time Ubuntu desktop users who didn't appreciate having package management decisions made for them. Mint's explicit, public stance against Snaps became a feature, not just a preference, and people voted with their downloads.

So here's the question my previous posts set up: how does the most popular desktop Linux distro in the world look through the sustainability lens?

The answer is genuinely fascinating — and a little uncomfortable.

The team

Linux Mint's core development team is remarkably small for a distro of its reach and reputation. The lead developers are Clement Lefebvre — universally known as "Clem" — and Vincent Vermeulen, with Jamie Boo Birse and Kendall Weaver as key contributors. In an interview Clem himself described the broader team as roughly 10-15 people including maintainers, a server admin, artists, and developers — and noted that number "changes constantly."

To put that in context against the numbers from my first post:

  • Linux Mint core team — roughly 4 lead developers, ~10-15 total contributors
  • Arch Linux — 26 volunteer core developers
  • Canonical/Ubuntu — ~1,200 paid employees
  • Red Hat/Fedora — ~19,000 employees

Mint is running one of the most-used Linux desktops on the planet with a team that would fit comfortably around a single conference table.

The funding model

There's no Canonical behind Mint. No IBM. No Valve partnership. Linux Mint is funded entirely by donations, sponsorships, and ad revenue from its website. Clem publishes transparent monthly breakdowns of donations, which is admirable — but it also means the entire financial foundation of the project rests on community goodwill and a donate button.

This is not a criticism. It's actually impressive that the model has worked as long and as well as it has. But it does mean there's no financial floor under the project if community interest wanes or key people move on.

The Clem factor

I want to be careful here because this isn't meant as a knock on anyone. But reading through Mint's history, blog, development roadmap and community, one name is inescapable — Clem. He drives the vision, sets the direction, writes the monthly updates, makes the calls on things like the Wayland transition timeline, and is clearly the reason Linux Mint has the coherent, user-first identity that sets it apart from other distros.

That's a strength and a structural dependency at the same time. It's the same dynamic I described with Pat Volkerding and Slackware — just at a much larger scale of impact. The question of what Linux Mint looks like without Clem at the helm is one the community probably doesn't spend much time thinking about, and maybe should — not out of pessimism, but out of prudent planning.

The upstream dependency

Here's something that doesn't get discussed much. Mint sits in an interesting position in the distro family tree. It's built on Ubuntu, which is itself built on Debian. That means Mint's long-term health is also dependent on both Canonical and Debian remaining healthy and making decisions Mint can live with upstream. The Snap situation is actually a perfect illustration of this — Canonical's decisions about Ubuntu directly forced Mint to make deliberate engineering choices to work around them. If Canonical made more aggressive changes upstream, Mint's small team would have to absorb that impact.

To be fair, Mint has hedged this somewhat with LMDE — Linux Mint Debian Edition — which builds directly on Debian rather than Ubuntu, bypassing Canonical entirely. That's a smart long-term insurance policy, and the fact that Clem has kept LMDE alive and current suggests he's thought about this more than most people realize.

The bottom line

Linux Mint shouldn't work as well as it does given the team size and funding model. The fact that it does is a testament to Clem's vision, the quality of the work, and a genuinely loyal community. By the framework I laid out in my first post, Mint sits in a genuinely uncertain sustainability position — no corporate backing, a tiny core team, a single dominant personality driving direction — and yet it keeps defying the odds.

If I had to place it on the spectrum, I'd put it above Puppy — the team is more structured, the funding more predictable, and the community larger — but well below Debian in terms of institutional resilience. It's sustainable right up until it isn't, if that makes sense.

None of this should stop anyone from running Mint. It's a great distro and Clem and the team have earned every bit of the loyalty their users show them. But if you're a Mint fan who cares about its long-term future, the most constructive thing you can do is donate, advocate for it, and maybe hope that the succession planning conversation happens before it's needed rather than after.

What do you think — is Mint's community strong enough to survive a major leadership transition if it ever came to that?
 
What's your experience with Puppy? Still running it on old hardware, or has it faded from your rotation?
Still using Pups on my 12yo HP Pavilion laptop for banking and stuff. mainly EasyOS 'Scarthgap'. No other OS on the laptop itself.

It always works, is super fast and ridiculously stable. And the best part it leaves NO trace after shutdown if you choose to.
Doesn't get any better than that.
 
Still using Pups on my 12yo HP Pavilion laptop for banking and stuff. mainly EasyOS 'Scarthgap'. No other OS on the laptop itself.

It always works, is super fast and ridiculously stable. And the best part it leaves NO trace after shutdown if you choose to.
Doesn't get any better than that.
Pretty much the same here still except I'm using desktop computers.

Using Easy OS Excalibur and Scarthgap and Puppy Linux as daily drivers.

They all work without problems and zero need for a hard drive using any of them.

All of them can be installed onto a USB flash drive as a frugal install.

Anything needing to be saved from a current session can be saved onto another USB flash drive.

Easy OS provides 100% total hard drive isolation OOTB without any additional hardware needed.

I still dabble with a few of the mainstream flagship Linux distros although none of them can compare to Easy OS or Puppy Linux.

You have to be an Easy OS or Puppy Linux user to understand the above statement.
 
I too was around in the early days of slackware. It was my first Linux install and have used many distro since. Some still around many are not. I worked as a Volunteer on Vector Linux it was a good slackware derivative but alas proves on of your points. Small development team that just got tied and quit. Too bad it was a good Distro. So today I tend to use the big names Mint, Ubuntu, Debian Fedora, Etc. But still like to try out the smaller ones from time to time. I guess if I have a home Distro it tends to be Mint/LMDE.
But you make a very good point about sustainability. Thanks for the thread I find it interesting and informative. You might want to take a look at the MX /AntiX model also.
It rose out of the demise of another very good one man Distro of it's time Mepis. And seems to have a strong following, but I suspect a small Dev. Team.
 
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Pretty much the same here still except I'm using desktop computers.

Using Easy OS Excalibur and Scarthgap and Puppy Linux as daily drivers.

They all work without problems and zero need for a hard drive using any of them.

All of them can be installed onto a USB flash drive as a frugal install.

Anything needing to be saved from a current session can be saved onto another USB flash drive.

Easy OS provides 100% total hard drive isolation OOTB without any additional hardware needed.

I still dabble with a few of the mainstream flagship Linux distros although none of them can compare to Easy OS or Puppy Linux.

You have to be an Easy OS or Puppy Linux user to understand the above statement.
Yeah, there is almost no reason for anyone NOT to use Puppy right?

The way Puppy is built and behaves it should be the Linux standard. Especially for home use.

Speaking of Linux Graveyard as far as Pups go: I still miss Attack Pup. That was awesome and I regret losing it through a careless action. (Used the USB it was installed on in an impulsive action.) :oops:
 
i worry a lot about slackware in particular. there are a lot of developments. that will test the users. who aren't hardcore. such as "to systemd or not to systemd. so i could keep using kde plasma." a debate is ensuing. if kde should be dropped. if it starts getting hard dependencies on "systemd." meanwhile volunteers managed to do incredible things with it. such as offering "current" with lxqt desktop. (different from porteux.)

there's a lot of babbling. only because slackware 15 stable is over four years old now. with "glibc" 2.33. some people refuse to upgrade. i wouldn't neither. iff there could be a way. to "localize" an installation of a newer set of system libraries. but this was demonstrated by the "anylinux" gang. that it could get messy. have to go along with the whims of the designers of applications.

otherwise i think nix package manager. could help out a bit with that. install a program only via that package manager. along with all of its dependencies. including "glibc" and whatever is newer than what the system has. and always remember to run the application. with the forced-inserted libraries! oh well i could dream, can't i?

i hope the linux from scratch team. find a few more people to help them out. with anything, not just to cover up this "bad switch to the dee." said by people who would never try it. i've read many parts of the book. only the chapter on grub scared me away for sure. "systemd" has to be easier to set up than that. that might be the true reason why it was adopted.

whoever is behind exton. should find someone else to collaborate with. only so more computers could run what they release.

almost forgot. last year (or was it in 2024?) i was shocked. that eric dubois quit with arcolinux. people do change in interests and pursuits throughout life. but i could understand. the distribution was great. i had it a while with xfce desktop. but its calamares was something i don't want to go through again. too many options, and they could conflict with each other. also the main website. which i bet was designed. to just haul someone into discord. or wherever else eric and his friends were up to at the time. definitely arcolinux wasn't the ideal distribution. for people who hated social networking. (self-indicate)
 
@dos2unix ....great thread. You are definitely pressing the right buttons here.

""To be fair, Mint has hedged this somewhat with LMDE — Linux Mint Debian Edition — which builds directly on Debian rather than Ubuntu, bypassing Canonical entirely. That's a smart long-term insurance policy, and the fact that Clem has kept LMDE alive and current suggests he's thought about this more than most people realize.""

I am very much in tune with Clems mindset keeping LMDE alive and well.
Because Ubuntu is corporate and answers solely to the dollar , Clem's keeping LMDE alive and current will turn out to be the future of Linux Mint.
 
it would appear the 'natural attrition' is happening regardless

True, and I wonder if this happens at an application level more than at a "distro" level?
How many linux apps died off, because someone quit, lost interest.. or even passed away?
(although to be fair, some of the projects themselves, probably needed to die off).
 


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