Artemis - far side of moon?

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I watched this video (with the link titled

'Absolutely spectacular': Artemis II crew see first glimpse of far side of Moon

on bbc.com) and was struck by the apparent wrongness of the dialog.

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Astronaut #1: "...to see the moon, to see the Earth, and to know that we are between those two celestial bodies and you can see it when you look out the window. The earth is almost in full eclipse, the moon is almost in full daylight, and the only way you can get that view is to be halfway between the two entities. It's just - it is truly awe inspiring up here."

Presenter: "The images you guys have sent back are absolutely spectacular and when you look at the moon, that you're headed for, and it gets closer and closer, what are your thoughts?"

Astronaut #2: "Well, last night we did have our first view of the moon far side and it was just absolutely spectacular. I think that one of the interesting things that happens when you look at a moon that inherently just looks different is - the darker parts just aren't in the right place - and something about you senses that is not the moon that I'm used to seeing and, sure eniugh, we got out our lunar targeting information and we matched up and we're like 'That is the dark side. That is something we have never seen before. We must be, like Reid said, somewhere between the Earth and the moon, getting a view from a different place and (...) putting something that has meant so much to so many cultures scientifically, spiritually, culturally for so long, seeing it in a different way and just pairing that with how much we miss and love our families and knowing that they're looking up and seeing the same moon, it's a pretty amazing feeling."

Astronaut #3: "Uhh, before I list of a couple emotions, there's been a lot of disbelief up here, just the fact that what we're seeing, where we are, it's hard to wrap your mind around. I mean that sincerely. It really bends your mind and, uhh, the emotions that come along with that, there's a lot of happiness... just that experience these unique things just brings you joy as a human. We're explorers at heart as human beings and we really feel like we're exploring out here and it brings a lot of excitement and then, right away, you are humbled. The fact that four of us get to be out here just brings you to your knees. The thought that we get this experience, we're doing our best to show it withe camera but you can't do it. I know those photos are amazing but let me assure you, it is another level of amazing up here and, uhh, there's a lot of gratitude"

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It doesn't explicitly say as much, and there are obvious snipping points in the audio, so maybe the original audio was more coherent, but the way it's presented makes it sound like the astronauts, while -between- the Earth and moon, are amazed by the sight of the far side of the moon. I would have expected better reporting from the BBC.
 



Found a live feed.
 

Found a live feed.

Yup. Came to link that.

Even though I think landing on the moon is more or less pointless (depending on our goals -- and I disagree with the goals we have), it's still exciting and awe-inspiring.

About 500,000 years ago, we decided to climb down from the trees. Over the next 200,000 years, we'd decide to walk upright 0 gettnig quite adept at running for long distances.

In that general era, we learned how to cook with fire. That was technically before homo sapiens, but we did it well enough not to die out, despite the difficulties of survival. This cooked food was a game-changer, as we also learned how to make fire -- not just capturing it from nature. That let us use more of the meat and to extract more brain-feeding nutrients out of it.

Our brains grew. This would be a good thing. They also had ridges and were less smooth than others, but that's not important.

Then, all sorts of stuff happened.

In about 1760, we had the industrial age.

It took another 102 years to sustain flight in an aircraft heavier than air.

Goddard had a working rocket in 1926, sort of. The Germans vastly improved it so that they could use it as a weapon during WWII. (They were not the only ones with rockets. They were just the most controlled rockets.)

WWII ended. The USSR and the USA ignored all sorts of things so that they could justify putting those German rocket makers to work building more advanced rockets.

It took us about 300,000 years to build a rocket. It took a bit more than 20 years after WWII to put humans on the moon.

We stopped putting humans on the moon for about 50 years, which I think was the right thing to do.

But we're now sending humans on a pointless mission around the moon. We could just have sensors on the spacecraft. We don't actually need humans for this.

However, it's still awe-inspiring. It's still fascinting.
 
Must be listening to a lot of Pink Floyd on there mustn't they? Hope there having a good time.
 
Current live broadcast:


Beauty, eh? ;)

Absolutely.

As mentioned before, I see this as relatively pointless. However, as also mentioned, it's still fascinating and awe-inspiring.
 
Personally, from an engineering point of view in the aerospace field. I find it very fascinating and cool. At the same time, I'm like better late than never. With the tech we have had decades ago, we could not only have research bases on the moon, but on Mars as well, with people walking around doing fascinating science on both bodies. It's almost like we shoot ourselves in the foot, but limp along to finally achieve stuff awkwardly. Just my personal insight.
 
Being the science buff that I am, I sometimes escape reading a very cool sci-fi novel. It's been a while, but I so enjoyed the Bobiverse series. Took me sometime to read all 5 books in the series, but they were such a cool escape when I did dive into one of them. Not just those, but so many that made me dream and think.

If I were floating around up there zooming around at fascinating speeds from earth's perspective. Pink Floyd, dark side of the moon, would definitely be on my list of tunes!

If I figured out how to be a Von Neumann probe, There would be a whole bunch of me. long haired weirdos, with 3d printed guitars, floating around the universe! Doing some very cool science with the cool music keeping the many "me's" sane. :P

Sorry! I couldn't help adding that.
 
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Being the science buff that I am, I sometimes escape reading a very cool sci-fi novel. It's been a while, but I so enjoyed the Bobiverse series. Took me sometime to read all 5 books in the series, but they were such a cool escape when I did dive into one of them. Not just those, but so many that made me dream and think.

If I were floating around up there zooming around at fascinating speeds from earth's perspective. Pink Floyd, dark side of the moon, would definitely be on my list of tunes!

If I figured out how to be a Von Neumann probe, There would be a whole bunch of me. long haired weirdos, with 3d printed guitars, floating around the universe! Doing some very cool science with the cool music keeping the many "me's" sane. :P

Sorry! I couldn't help adding that.
I used to be a voracious sci-fi reader but it seems like most of my favorite authors are dead now. Your mention of the Bobiverse series prompted me to check it out and I'm finding it fascinating. Thanks for that. Any other sci-fi reading suggestions?
 
I used to be a voracious sci-fi reader but it seems like most of my favorite authors are dead now. Your mention of the Bobiverse series prompted me to check it out and I'm finding it fascinating. Thanks for that. Any other sci-fi reading suggestions?
So many I could suggest! Favorite authors, some still alive, but most I think not. I read so many as a kid and quite a few being grown. Many I read as a kid, I have trouble remembering the titles! Mom use to take me to this book store and I would make a bee line for the sci-fi section, and pick up a few. I had grass cutting money, but she usually just buy em for me.

just a few that comes to mind...
As a kid I loved one called... Armor by John Steakley

Forever War by Joe Haldeman was a great escape.

Not long ago I read ... John Scalzi Old man's War ..It was fun to read,

Joe Haldeman .. Camouflage ... was strange and fun to read.

Audio Book I listened to that was fun, despite the main character being a macho maniac of sorts.
Star Viking by Vaughn Heppner... Christian Rummel as narrator was perfect. I think it's a 3 book series maybe, but just read / listened to Star Viking.

Quite a few by Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and some I'm not thinking about right now,

I not partial with Authors really, if it's a good book that fascinates me. I do like Joe Haldeman's writing style a lot though!

Lots I read that I didn't like so much, or gave up on. Hit and miss. Bobiverse series I like a lot though. Especially the first book in the series. Fun and fascinating.
 
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I love me a good book. I depend heavily on having a good stock....on my phone
this link saves me typing it all out again:
 
So many I could suggest! Favorite authors, some still alive, but most I think not. I read so many as a kid and quite a few being grown. Many I read as a kid, I have trouble remembering the titles! Mom use to take me to this book store and I would make a bee line for the sci-fi section, and pick up a few. I had grass cutting money, but she usually just buy em for me.

just a few that comes to mind...
As a kid I loved one called... Armor by John Steakley

Forever War by Joe Haldeman was a great escape.

Not long ago I read ... John Scalzi Old man's War ..It was fun to read,

Joe Haldeman .. Camouflage ... was strange and fun to read.

Audio Book I listened to that was fun, despite the main character being a macho maniac of sorts.
Star Viking by Vaughn Heppner... Christian Rummel as narrator was perfect. I think it's a 3 book series maybe, but just read / listened to Star Viking.

Quite a few by Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and some I'm not thinking about right now,

I not partial with Authors really, if it's a good book that fascinates me. I do like Joe Haldeman's writing style a lot though!

Lots I read that I didn't like so much, or gave up on. Hit and miss. Bobiverse series I like a lot though. Especially the first book in the series. Fun and fascinating.
Hmmm... now going down rabbit holes after Haldean and Scalzi.

Back in the day, it was Clarke, Asimov, Norton, Heinlein etc etc, but, for some odd reason, they've all stopped writing - though, TBH, I think they did their best work while still alive. Even two generations of computers that were hostnamed in honor of these authors are gone - though the Win7 box named "verne" is still plugging away.

It's always a treat to find a worthy sci-fi author who is still alive - or even one that I haven't read whose works live on.
 
Hmmm... now going down rabbit holes after Haldean and Scalzi.
Joe Haldeman has a very interesting background having gone through hell in the Vietnam war.

I saw an interview with him talking about his book Forever war. Much in the book, that you wouldn't know from reading it, stems from what he went through in that war. I've read quite a few of his books, and really liked most of them.

As a kid I had this one book chalk full of Sci-Fi short stories I so loved with various authors. I wish I could remember the name of it! Haldeman wrote some of them if I remember right.
 
Joe Haldeman has a very interesting background having gone through hell in the Vietnam war.

I saw an interview with him talking about his book Forever war. Much in the book, that you wouldn't know from reading it, stems from what he went through in that war. I've read quite a few of his books, and really liked most of them.

As a kid I had this one book chalk full of Sci-Fi short stories I so loved with various authors. I wish I could remember the name of it! Haldeman wrote some of them if I remember right.
I can grok that. Sounds like the "best of Fantasy and Science fiction" series that I discovered back in 64. If I got hold of a Robert Heinlein work, I couldn't put it down until I finished it. Asimov, Sturgeon, .....
 
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They never went to the moon because the earth is flat, it was all film in a studio.

In a more serious note. I am still curious to know why they haven't gone back until now, as in the 60's they had the Apollo missions.
 
They never went to the moon because the earth is flat, it was all film in a studio.

In a more serious note. I am still curious to know why they haven't gone back until now, as in the 60's they had the Apollo missions.
Me too! As a Aerospace Engineer I'm certainly aware of what we are capable of, and have been for so long.

As cool as it was, It all seemed like a flashback from 60's tech, old school. I'm sure the computers used are more robust than back then though. The return decent, I imagined myself in that can, praying all works and the shoots open. I wonder if they had a bail out option with parachutes, if it didn't all work? It just seemed like rats in a can to me. We have tech well beyond this! Of course the cost would be totally more enormous, to use it though. Ugh
 
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On a side note. In my career, I was part of so many programs. Space shuttle! totally a learning curve and only good for low orbit and the return was like crossing our fingers more so than not, as well as the assent. Many died due to it all. It finally ended.. but did it? Nope. It's alive and well, but shrouded in... Need to know. Ugh!!! I find it so frustrating being part of stuff I cannot talk about due to.. We're going to punish you if you do!!! NDA's!! ugh!!

Looking behind the scenes, as I do, which made me survive my career for so long, I get into the rebel stage, which got me chewed out so often!! My playing dumb strategically always saved me. LOL.

I am a science fanatic! Setting my passion for music aside, I love and adore it. My mathematical capabilities are cool, despite not being in an Einstein category. I have a phenomenal gift in understanding materials in a artistic way, with how they react in a diverse thermal dynamic environment. Another thing that always saved me in my career. Gummy, fiberish, brittley hard, and everything in between. New materials were common and came out seeming daily, in the metal categories.

Space shuttle, is at the very least 50 times more capable today than it was in the public eye. but powers to be can't use it because others will see? Wow!! So we are still rats in a can, at least when the world is watching?

I'll be safe and call all the above Sci-fi... Totally my imagination! LOL Rolling my eyes. haha

A Little braver these days, having seemingly escaped!
 
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Going to Mars is out of the question. It's a one-way trip, there is no possibility of returning.
One way or not, I would love to be on it!! Even asked and suggested a few times in the past to higher ups stating, hey.. you all going to need someone like me saving a day with the most obscure ideas? Lets make a sleek space suit with Neo leather shop coat covering it!! And those bulky helmets?? Can't we come up with something more sleek that actually turns with our heads? LOL

I could make my authority figures laugh at times! hehe

F35.. always advancing with tech and capabilities. We all know about them and what they can do, with some research. What about the ones we aren't allowed to know about with two modes and two engines for atmosphere, or no atmosphere, or one engine doing both, capable of some very cool stuff! They aren't a thing? Is it just on paper or a cad screen? We do shit that is behind doors, and the number one rule is... this don't exist!

Sci-fi ?
 
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