....and now it's upgrade time for the Pavilion desktop : new GPU + CPU!

[The Duck]

@MikeWalsh
Wow your HP is similar my Dell Optiplex.

Remove the side cover and slide a couple of latches and tilt the drive cage up and out of the way.

I think you're making a wise decision on staying with a 65 watt processor over the 95 watt processor.

No telling where they cut corners to save cash on manufacturing.

I've only run across Philips head screws for HSF coolers although wouldn't be surprised seeing that star screws replaced them.

We learn as we go through our hardware upgrading usually for the best although I've learned the hard way a few times.

 

[Brickwizard]

I was given a guift from one of my parts suppliers about 15 yrs ago it contains a full set of drivers flat, pozi,philips,sq drive hex drive star drive,[torque] drivers, full set of watchmaker type mini drivers and a set of mini sockets from 3Ba to 10 Ba for component nuts, Its proberbly been one of the most used gifts i ever had [apart from fishing gear from the wife]

 

[theLegionWithin]

The snag with these HP Pavilions is that when closed, the drives sit in a hinged tray that pivots down above the CPU.....so any heat-sink has to be "low-profile", y'see.

there's some lower profile noctua coolers out there but yeah I know what you mean about the HP cases - HP desktops always have the sort of modular thing going on inside (on my last job we had ~40 high end HP boxes for the architects so I'm pretty familiar with HP's guts).

@The Duck yeah, my current cpu has a tdp of ~45w - probably less since I never really push it much (AMD Ryzen 7 8845HS)

 

[Brickwizard]

Wow your HP is similar my Dell Optiplex.

Now that would not surprise me, both are probably made in the same Chinese factory, from the same basic parts bin

 

[The Duck]

@Brickwizard
I like tools and imo can't ever have enough.

What you described pretty much is all ya need to work on most stuff nowadays.

I bought one of these many years ago to work on two way radios and other electronics although don't use it much nowadays.

 

[The Duck]

Now that would not surprise me, both are probably made in the same Chinese factory, from the same basic parts bin

You may be right.

 

[Brickwizard]

I like tools and imo can't never have enough.

Nice bit of kit, but most bits are a bit big even for radio work these days, most modern electronics only need one tool when they break down...

 

[The Duck]

Nice bit of kit, but most bits are a bit big even for radio work these days, most modern electronics only need one tool when they break down...

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Agreed.

 

[KGIII]

it contains a full set of drivers

I have several similar tool sets. These days, there are a ton of fasteners. I have some older kits that just don't have all of the more modern fasteners. Every now and again, I'll grab a replacement kit just to have one in different locations. I like to get the cheaper stuff that I can just chuck into a toolbox/tool bag and not have to worry about it.

For not a lot of money, you can get something like this:

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804034116563.html

You can actually get cheaper sets than that, but I picked that one to share, as I have one similar to that.

They, as you said, also make good presents. I've gifted a few of these (but from a different company):

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807006116312.html

I've gifted similar items to both men and women. They're universally appreciated. Pretty much everyone can see the value of a small tool kit like that. Just search for 'precision tool kit', and you can find a zillion choices. I used AliExpress because they're usually cheaper, and spending more isn't really going to get you that much more.

The holiday season is upon us. As you mentioned, they make great gifts!

 

[The Duck]

Yep gotta have the newfangled bits these days as everyone thinks they are a better fastener accept me.

I'm perfectly happy with Phillips head screws and Slotted screws.

Don't get me wrong they have there place just not in the electronics industry imo.

Just another way of the fat cat manufacturing industry to make the consumer purchase another tool(s) which isn't / wasn't needed.

They wasn't needed in the olden days and they weren't needed in today's world imo.

Yes I'm old school and like to stay with a sure thing.

Today's generation could stand to learn a few things from a video called "Primitive Pete" imo.

It's an old school video about what most of today's generation lacks.

I hate change although I know it's inevitable and I must move forward / ahead and keep up with it or be left in the past. (sigh)

 

[theLegionWithin]

Nice bit of kit, but most bits are a bit big even for radio work these days, most modern electronics only need one tool when they break down...

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I've got a smaller version of one of those that I refer to as my +1 Hammer of Hard Reset - use it when I need to destroy electronics - it's a geologist's hammer:

 

[The Duck]

This is how I make certain no information will be gotten off of any hard drive I dispose of.

Three shot minimum usually six shots.

 

[The Duck]

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I guess the curved flat end of that brick hammer should penetrate the pot metal case to shatter the platter(s).

 

[theLegionWithin]

I guess the curved flat end of that brick hammer should penetrate the pot metal case to shatter the platter(s).

yeah, it's a rather sharp spike. penetrates hdd's like there's no tomorrow

 

[MikeWalsh]

I guess the curved flat end of that brick hammer should penetrate the pot metal case to shatter the platter(s).

@The Duck :-

Those geologist's hammers tend to have a higher than usual tungsten & vanadium content, along with more carbon to enhance toughness & durability (those back-ends have to be pretty sharp for how they get used, and the carbon helps to hold a sharp edge for longer). They'll probably also have more than their fair share of chrome & nickel, too, for improved corrosion and water resistance.

I had a great-uncle who was into that kinda thing. Those "rock-hammers" they use get some pretty rough treatment out in the field, believe me.....'cos nothing will dull an edge quicker than rock & stone can.

One of those would be well capable of dealing any HDD a death-blow..!


Mike.

 

[MikeWalsh]

Wow your HP is similar my Dell Optiplex.

Remove the side cover and slide a couple of latches and tilt the drive cage up and out of the way.

@The Duck :-

My view is that either Dell pinched HP's design, or HP pinched Dell's. I'd go with the latter option, 'cos Michael Dell's family have always been innovators; from what I understand, HP tend to follow 'industry practice', and more usually gain new tech through acquiring other companies (same as how M$ do things). And as m'colleague @Brickwizard says, both are like as not built in the same factory anyway.

The way manufacturing is set-up these days, I would NOT care to speculate one way or the other!

(At the end of the day, though, I can't complain about this Pavilion. For the nearly 6 years I've had her, she's been a good old gal. Totally trouble-free.....and as reliable as they come.)


Mike.

 

[The Duck]

@MikeWalsh

I have (3) HP Compaq Pro 6300 SFF built like a tank.
I would take them over any new desktop SFF of today.
Each one cost me $12.00 at my local thrift store.
They had three of them I bought them all.

 

[MikeWalsh]

Well now. A refund has been agreed for the i5-8600K, and is underway.

The Core i7-8700 was with the courier by late last night, so.....it'll get here when it gets here. And then.....we shall see what we shall see.

I don't think approx. GBP £65 is too 'out of the way' for an 8th-gen 6C/12T Core i7.....which I'm assured has had a fairly gentle life, and not been thrashed. That's a hell of an improvement over the nearly £300 it would have cost when new, but.....time will tell. At least we're looking at more or less the same TDP, so the board and heatsink/fan shouldn't have any issues, and being on the official recommended list should ensure as little hassle as possible.

We'll see what transpires.


Mike.

 

[MikeWalsh]

Okey-dokey.....

The Core i7-8700 has turned up this morning. Looks super-clean, and is in very sweet condition from a purely visual inspection.

It being the time of year it is, as stated above I don't see this going in until after Xmas. Which is fine; a few days more won't hurt, 'cos when I do install this I shall take my time & ensure everything is done properly.

Watch this space...


Mike.

 

[The Duck]

Holidays do sometimes cause delays so yep a few more days weeks ain't gonna matter.