Today I upgraded Mint from 22.1 to 22.2, this is a point release so it was an easy and quick upgrade that all went very well. I understand 22.2 is powered by the 6.14 kernel, but after rebooting and checking, I see I am still running the 6.8.0-79 kernel, now this doesn't bother me as the 6.14 is only supported until Feb 26 whereas the 6.8 has support until April 29, but I am just curious why I dn't have the kernel I expected to see.
Upgrade Mint to 22.2
- Thread starter gillsman
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After the upgrade did you run ... sudo apt update && apt upgrade -y [to add any updates since the release date]
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Condobloke
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@Brickwizard ....that Y on the end of the command needs to be lower case, Brian..... y
Condobloke
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@gillsman,
In an attempt to clarify the kernel 'issue' I did a bot of reading. AS far as I can tell it works somehting like this.
If you do the upgrade from 22.1 to 22.2 you will be using the 6.8.0-79 Kernel...all future updates etc right through to 2029 will be on that kernel.
On the other hand, if you choose to do a fresh install of 22.2, you will then be using the 6.14 Kernel....which gives you access to ""Zara tracks Ubuntu 24.04 LTS under the hood and pulls in the latest Hardware Enablement (HWE) stack, so fresh installs come with Linux kernel 6.14 plus Mesa 25.0.7, which benefits users with newer CPUs and GPUs.
So, you want to see what you are 'missing out' on ?
In an attempt to clarify the kernel 'issue' I did a bot of reading. AS far as I can tell it works somehting like this.
If you do the upgrade from 22.1 to 22.2 you will be using the 6.8.0-79 Kernel...all future updates etc right through to 2029 will be on that kernel.
On the other hand, if you choose to do a fresh install of 22.2, you will then be using the 6.14 Kernel....which gives you access to ""Zara tracks Ubuntu 24.04 LTS under the hood and pulls in the latest Hardware Enablement (HWE) stack, so fresh installs come with Linux kernel 6.14 plus Mesa 25.0.7, which benefits users with newer CPUs and GPUs.
So, you want to see what you are 'missing out' on ?
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Condobloke
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Upgrading to the new point release brings the following changes:
www.linuxmint.com
New Features in Linux Mint 22.2 'Zara' - Linux Mint
Linux Mint is an elegant, easy to use, up to date and comfortable desktop operating system.
www.linuxmint.com
[ missed that] thanks Brian...changed.
OK, thank you to all for your replies. I did not do a fresh install on this occasion as it was only a point release, so I guess that's my answer. It's all working fine so I'm not worried. Next full release I will do a fresh install.
G'day Condo (and listeners). This is what I found. I did a fresh install of 22.2 on my laptop and everything went well and is running well. I tried a couple of fresh installs on my PC but had lots of problems (black screen, freezing, etc) even getting to the install stage. I used Ventoy and a couple of verified 22.2 iso versions. I eventually got 22.2 to install via booting in 'compatibility' mode but once I got the reboot stage after the install it just presented a black screen. I note in the forums and elsewhere that this is quite a common problem so I then restored my previous Mint 22.1 version and went through the 'upgrade' process. This time all went well and my PC Mint 22.2 installed and is running perfectly. So, yes for me at least and I reckon others who have the same problem it's a kernel issue as you mention above. I assume a fix is coming at some stage to rectify this issue. Cheers
Condobloke
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I have not given this much thought, yet.
I can boot into a LM22.2 Live....and I can change the kernel there from 6:14 to 6:8 easily, but of course the Live version continues to run 6:14. becasue it is a Live version I cannot reboot and select a different kernel at Gruib because all changes are lost when I reboot.
The general consensus is that this cannot be done. However...as much as I am somewhat distrusting of AI's abilities, it has the following to say:
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You generally cannot permanently change the kernel on a Linux Mint live USB system because it runs from a read-only filesystem. To use a newer kernel with a live environment, you must create a new ISO by installing Mint to a USB drive, then upgrading the kernel on that installation, and finally creating a new ISO from the updated system. You can also temporarily change the kernel parameters by pressing 'e' at the GRUB boot menu to edit the boot parameters for that session.
To permanently change the kernel for a live USB:
Install Linux Mint to a USB drive:
Boot your computer from the Linux Mint live USB and proceed with the installation onto another USB drive.
Update the installed system:
Once Mint is installed on the new USB, boot into it and use the Update Manager to install the latest kernel available.
Create a new ISO:
After rebooting to verify the new kernel is running, you can use tools like the deprecated Pinguy Builder or other methods to create a new ISO from this updated system.
Create a new live USB:
Write the newly created ISO back to a USB drive to create a live USB with the newer kernel.
To temporarily change kernel parameters for a single boot:
Boot from the live USB: Start your computer from the live USB.
Access the GRUB menu: During the boot process, repeatedly press the Esc key to bring up the GRUB boot menu.
Edit boot parameters: Select the desired boot entry and press e to edit it.
Locate boot parameters: Find the line that ends with "quiet splash" and contains your boot parameters.
Make changes: Modify or add your desired kernel parameters to this line.
Boot with changes: Press the specified key (often Ctrl+X or F10) to boot with the new parameters for that session.
Important Considerations:
Read-Only Filesystem: Live USB environments use a read-only filesystem, so changes made during a live session are temporary and will be lost upon reboot.
Compatibility: For newer hardware, it is often recommended to use a newer kernel.
Don't remove the active kernel: When changing kernels on an installed system, the currently active kernel cannot be removed, so you must boot into a different kernel before you can uninstall the newer one.
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I have not wrapped my head around the above, yet. (other things on my mind)
I can boot into a LM22.2 Live....and I can change the kernel there from 6:14 to 6:8 easily, but of course the Live version continues to run 6:14. becasue it is a Live version I cannot reboot and select a different kernel at Gruib because all changes are lost when I reboot.
The general consensus is that this cannot be done. However...as much as I am somewhat distrusting of AI's abilities, it has the following to say:
=============================================================================
You generally cannot permanently change the kernel on a Linux Mint live USB system because it runs from a read-only filesystem. To use a newer kernel with a live environment, you must create a new ISO by installing Mint to a USB drive, then upgrading the kernel on that installation, and finally creating a new ISO from the updated system. You can also temporarily change the kernel parameters by pressing 'e' at the GRUB boot menu to edit the boot parameters for that session.
To permanently change the kernel for a live USB:
Install Linux Mint to a USB drive:
Boot your computer from the Linux Mint live USB and proceed with the installation onto another USB drive.
Update the installed system:
Once Mint is installed on the new USB, boot into it and use the Update Manager to install the latest kernel available.
Create a new ISO:
After rebooting to verify the new kernel is running, you can use tools like the deprecated Pinguy Builder or other methods to create a new ISO from this updated system.
Create a new live USB:
Write the newly created ISO back to a USB drive to create a live USB with the newer kernel.
To temporarily change kernel parameters for a single boot:
Boot from the live USB: Start your computer from the live USB.
Access the GRUB menu: During the boot process, repeatedly press the Esc key to bring up the GRUB boot menu.
Edit boot parameters: Select the desired boot entry and press e to edit it.
Locate boot parameters: Find the line that ends with "quiet splash" and contains your boot parameters.
Make changes: Modify or add your desired kernel parameters to this line.
Boot with changes: Press the specified key (often Ctrl+X or F10) to boot with the new parameters for that session.
Important Considerations:
Read-Only Filesystem: Live USB environments use a read-only filesystem, so changes made during a live session are temporary and will be lost upon reboot.
Compatibility: For newer hardware, it is often recommended to use a newer kernel.
Don't remove the active kernel: When changing kernels on an installed system, the currently active kernel cannot be removed, so you must boot into a different kernel before you can uninstall the newer one.
=========================================================================
I have not wrapped my head around the above, yet. (other things on my mind)
Condobloke
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An additional .iso with the 6:8.0 kernel is the obvious solution, so when someone goes to download they have a clear choice...6:8 or 6:14 ....preferably with advice that if your pc is manufactured prior to xxxx then use the 6:8 etc etc.....details, details... perhaps a more advanced advice re year of manufacture/cpu/gpu etc etc....whatever works to make the choice clear
Yep. I also am hugely distrusting with AI stuff. We are showing our age. I reckon to wait for the human brains larger than ours for a fix. It may actually not just or only be the kernel rather some bits hanging of the kernel that's causing the issue. As for the AI inspired fix, good luck with that.
cheers 
