Lenovo Utrabook X1 Yoga Gen 1 - SSD will not power off

I have been running SSD's on both desktop and laptops, not come across this problem, ssd's being low voltage with no moving parts should not get excessively hot even after 12-24 hrs use, [before @Condobloke asks I use Kingston],
I would be looking at the machine settings and OS settings, to my mind it sounds like the screen is going into rest mode but some application is still running in the background .
 


Smart compatible?...according to the info I found, it is compatible


However, before you go buy a new ssd.... I will mention a few members names who will no doubt have a different way of looking at this than me. No action on your part required....they will be notified.

@osprey
@Brickwizard
@KGIII ......what was the brand that you buy, David ?....cheaper than toshiba etc etc
I ran the test again this morning, just as a double check. Same results, however, when I right-clicked on the SSD icon here's what I got:

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Just as a wild shot in the dark.....tick the box that says enable smart & enable auto offline ect

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and, were any changes made in bios prior to this happening ?

is secure boot disabled in bios?

Did the reinstall go smoothly?

These questions are random, i truly dont know what I am looking for. Wihtout having any extra knowledge, I would have to take the 'easy' solution and say that the drive is dead....and yet it was still capable of having the OS installed on it....which leads me to think that something else has had an effect. If somehting else has come into play, that would almost certainly involve a change in a setting...somewhere....or another piece of hardware getting involved.

Has that drive ever been taken out of its spot?....are the ram modules secure in their spots?
 
Hi Osprey, thank you for this. I used /usr/sbin/poweroff as you suggested and although the machine powered off just fine, the SSD stayed warm (continued to draw power) even though the machine was otherwise shut down. This continued until the battery was drained.
The poweroff command works, so that's one success.

The following is a collection of considerations.

It's likely the configs are okay, but just to make certain, check that the following config appears in /etc/systemd/logind.conf
Code:
#HandlePowerKey=poweroff
It's a default setting so doesn't need to be uncommented if it's there, but must be there. If it's not, write it into the file and delete the pound sign (#) at the beginning of the line.

There's a few things in the BIOS worth checking.

For example:
Make sure fast boot is disabled. Some BIOSs keep power to parts of the machine when fast boot is set so that the booting can actually be fast. I expect secure boot is turned off, but it not, disabling is best.

It's worth hunting through the BIOS for anything that resembles something that keeps power on on like a "wake on LAN" setting or "always on for USB" setting. Disable anything that looks like that.

It's possible that a BIOS update exists that may have an impact on this issue. One can read of the issues that a BIOS update addresses, so if power management is one of those, then an update may be relevant.

It's wise to disable all forms of hibernation and suspension to see if that makes a difference. A quick and dirty way to check what's running in respect to that, is to run:
Code:
systemctl -a | grep -iE 'hibernate|suspend'
Output here is:
Code:
  systemd-hibernate-resume.service            loaded    inactive dead      Resume from hibernation
  systemd-hybrid-sleep.service                loaded    inactive dead      System Hybrid Suspend+Hibernate
  systemd-suspend-then-hibernate.service      loaded    inactive dead      System Suspend then Hibernate
  systemd-suspend.service                     loaded    inactive dead      System Suspend
  hibernate.target                            loaded    inactive dead      System Hibernation
  hybrid-sleep.target                         loaded    inactive dead      Hybrid Suspend+Hibernate
  suspend-then-hibernate.target               loaded    inactive dead      Suspend; Hibernate if not used for a period of time
  suspend.target                              loaded    inactive dead      Suspend
Try to disable any services or targets if not already disabled. The output above shows all are inactive.

Another suggestion stems from noting that the powertop app has the following as part of its description:
PowerTOP reports which components in the system are most likely to blame
for higher-than-needed power consumption, ranging from software
applications to active components in the system.

Unfortunately I'm not familiar with powertop, but it may have some relevant application to this problem. It's a matter of research and learning how to run the app to see if it can get the info needed.
 
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Hi Osprey, thank you for this. I used /usr/sbin/poweroff as you suggested and although the machine powered off just fine, the SSD stayed warm (continued to draw power) even though the machine was otherwise shut down. This continued until the battery was drained.

Just as a wild shot in the dark.....tick the box that says enable smart & enable auto offline ect

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Fair question, but no, they are "greyed out" and I can't change the settings.
 
The machine has developed an additional quirk. If I let the battery drain completely and them connect to AC power, the machine powers up with just a single tap of the power button (as one would expect). If the battery isn't completely drained, then the machine won't start with a single tap of the button, but might if the button is held down for a longer period. THis leads me to suspect that there is something odd or corrupted in the BIOS https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/ca/en/...r/20fr/20frs4r520/r90n6jft/solutions/ht063051. I'll restore the factory settings in teh BIOS and see if these problems continue. Or I may just use the laptop for target practice - could go either way.
 
*I'm sorry I haven't been following progress in this thread. I made some changes to notification settings. Didn't go as planned, all the threads I was watching got 'Unwatched'.



As a prior owner of 2 Lenovo's my experience may be of interest here. This may be the key to solving your problem or it can help you decide if all of this is worth bothering with. I don't want to be the bearer of potentiall bad news, but if I can save someone the headaches I went through to finally figure out that it just wasn't worth my time to mess with it anymore, I will.

Both had failing hard drives. Both laptops (and an old HP) ended up in my septic tank out of intense frustration. Yes, it was very satisfying to toss them in and watch them sink to the bottom.

The first odd thing about them was the magic Novo button.

Uncovering the Mystery: Locating the Novo Button on Your ThinkPad

You can barely see it. If you don't know it's there or that it exists you probably wont ever notice the tiny pin hole, somewhere. I'm pretty sure the intent is to keep the user from being able to make meaningful changes in BIOS/UEFI.

If Secure Boot is enabled, you might have to find this button in order to do it. Hopefully you know the password too. If you don't, you may not be able to access them. Not being able to make those changes prevented me from doing a lot on both of those laptops.

If you do find the magic Novo Button, be very careful pushing it. I had to use a very tiny pin. Whatever you use to push it, make sure it's aligned properly so the 'button' doesn't get broken. I didn't know how fragile it is or how I broke it until I took the machine apart. There were other odd things about those Lenovo's, but not worth mentioning if you can't make meaningful changes in the BIOS settings

After those 2 experiences, I vowed to never buy another Lenovo again. I really hope you have a better experience than I did.
 
I think I posted pics of the Novo buttons in tis forum. If I have time, I'll see if I can find the thread with pictures of the Novo buttons on the 2 Lenovo's I had.
 
PDF User manual for your laptop

Pg 47

Enter the UEFI BIOS menu
Restart the computer. When the logo screen is displayed, press F1 to enter the UEFI BIOS menu.
Note: If you have set the supervisor password, enter the correct password when prompted. You also can press Enter to skip the password prompt and enter the UEFI BIOS menu. However, you cannot change the system configurations that are protected by the supervisor password.*

* As I recall, sometimes Lenovo will set the supervisor password for you.
The user manuals for my Lenovo's didn't mention or contain any information about the Novo Button
 


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