Why There will never be the "Year of Linux"

[wizardfromoz]

Welcome to linux.org @MoMentum

(just loaded up Unbuntu Cinnamon on a Dell Latitude).

How long ago?

I just installed the Tor browser. And it was a frustrating challenge.

I happen to run Ubuntu (sic) Cinnamon. How hard is this?

followed by this

and then by this?

I am not denigrating your comments, nor do I doubt your frustration. I am suggesting you look a little further into your own Distro before you start authoring threads such as this.

Ask us questions.

Simple would have been (after you had looked first) to ask "I am using Ubuntu Cinnamon, does it have a software store, and do you know if that includes Tor?"

I also refute

Any Windows user who gets past the operating system installation (which is another story), they will shut down from frustration and return to Windows. Windows users (who are 99% of new users) expect to just "Install'" a program - like they are used to.

That is not borne out by the figures. Just ask me if you want a little more accurate knowledge, and accurate figures.

Cheers

Chris Turner
wizardfromoz

BTW - I am 68 and we have members aged 90 plus. Age is not a factor. Mindset is.

 

[bob466]

Installing Software (we don't have programs ) is simple...from either the Software manager or the Terminal.

What lines of code are you talking about ? The Terminal is a part of Linux and a very handy tool. You can do many things in the Terminal you could never do in windoze.

I think anyone complaining about Linux is funny...considering the state of windoze these days.

Why would you install Tor...when a VPN is so much better and so much faster too. We all have to start somewhere and once you get the hang of Linux you'll realise it's not hard and so much better than windoze ever was.

 

[bob466]

Silly me...I forgot to mention this...

Not long ago I watched a windoze youtube video...it was posted by a windoze guy telling all the windoze users that they can download heaps and heaps of tools to try and fix all those windoze problems.

In the comments someone said...I don't need any of those tools because I use Linux. To which the windoze guy said...nobody cares about that 3% of Linux users.

I have a CD wallet full of repair Disks for when I used windoze...it's been sitting in the draw for 11 years untouched because I also use Linux.

 

[Condobloke]

Mindset is.

Amen.

 

[Brickwizard]

In the comments someone said...I don't need any of those tools because I use Linux. To which the windoze guy said...nobody cares about that 3% of Linux users.

Then my retort would be a question, if windows is so great, why did Microsoft choose Linux over Windows server for their cloud operation, and why do their script kiddies who code Windows use Microsoft own in house version on Linux ?

 

[f33dm3bits]

I'm not wasting my breath on this since others already have, other than this sentence.

 

[f33dm3bits]

Moved to General Computing since the main goal of this topic does not seem to be about getting help or getting started.

 

[jawild]

Not long ago I watched a windoze youtube video...it was posted by a windoze guy telling all the windoze users that they can download heaps and heaps of tools to try and fix all those windoze problems.

This was the main impetus that moved me to dump Windows. The ultimate issue is that from Microsoft's view, the real problem is users trying to protect their privacy.

 

[MoMentum]

Wow. What a great set of responses. I truly appreciate not being chastised for my original rant. (Most other forums will do that!) This is a real group of intelligent and kind folks, which gives me confidence. I think the problem (my problem?) is that I just keep seeing Linux mentioned as the replacement for windoze. As everyone here has said, it is an alternative - not a drop in replacement. With the help, suggestions, and guidance you have all provided, I will continue my journey.

BTW, I did get Tor loaded, used it and came back the next day to find it completely gone from my system. Not sure how I did that. I will look a bit closer into the install process.

 

[The Duck]

Never understood why user's think Linux should be the number one OS of the home user base desktop computer.

I guess those of us who have been using Linux for years realize it ain't going to happen and hope it to never happens.

 

[wizardfromoz]

Since the original #31 on p2, of what was 3 pages, the only person On Topic is @The Duck .

I am carving off the browser questions and input and giving them their own thread in General Linux Topics, where browsers should be dealt with.

I am locking this thread while I effect the changes.

Wizard

 

[wizardfromoz]

Changes made, thread on browsers is at https://www.linux.org/threads/browsers-for-privacy-and-security.64020

Both threads unlocked and open for business.

Wizard

 

[Deleted member 197709]

Wow... I guess I'll just repost....
There was a day for linux or "Year of Linux". When I was a kid holding a bunch of Red Hat floppies.

Why posts are selectively deleted, considering the original topic from a newbie to linux ranting, is alittle mean I think, when they are polite posts with some input. No sleep lost here.

Dad was a Windows guy and despite being curious, would never rant about it being bad or good. How popular it is, doesn't seem to me a good reason for using it or not.

Bad, not better than, will never be something, kind of argument, just seems so pointless considering the freedom we all have to use it, or not.

Hence the title and content in the original post... hehe

 

[f33dm3bits]

Never understood why user's think Linux should be the number one OS of the home user base desktop computer.

I guess those of us who have been using Linux for years realize it ain't going to happen and hope it to never happens.

This! And also it's already the Year of the Linux desktop for those who have been using Linux for a longer time. I remember where Linux was back in 2008 when I started, it wasn't as easy as things are now and straight forward as how things are now.

 

[Deleted member 197709]

I remember where Linux was back in 2008

Me too! Much earlier than then even.. I look at it today and remember it in the late 90's and I'm like Wow!

Back then we had to configure our graphics card and monitor screens manually, creating an xorg.conf file requiring tons of info and knowledge of your hardware, specifying dual screens, or not. The install didn't do that for us. The first time I didn't have to do that, I was happily surprised, as I believe udev came about and started identifying stuff more correctly. Even then we still had to have xorg.conf to fix stuff concerning the graphical interface, especially with Nvidia cards. Specifying whether the thing is PCI and its location per card if we had more than one as I did back then. Similar with conf files for sound cards, modems, etc. The old days, required tons of research and tinkering just to get the system running, unlike today, having a working install from the get go.

Linux evolves just like Windows, mac, others... Just in it's own directions. It was never originally designed to be idiot proof so to speak. It required some brain power. A good thing.

Year of Linux ? As in never? .... Yep, I'm like wow!

PS .. jogging my memory...Old days.. A graphical interface I believe was an afterthought on Linux. It was just basically a CLI bash alternative and programming language writing alternative, to Dos and the same with windows, I think it was before Win-3.0, or maybe 2 something, poofed into existence. Graphical interface was just a bonus on Linux if you could get xorg running. I remember IRC chat was a thing before GUI started to become doable and popular. Was fun days on a linux computer. I was just a kid who liked playing chess on it mostly, once I got it going.

Just from memory... Years could be wrong... Linux kinna eventually sprang from the creation of Unix systems that started sometime in the 1980's. Windows started around the same time, becoming mainstream i think in the late 80's or early 90's long before Linux.

GPL started with Unix, and was adopted by Linux, I believe since Linux was rather based on Unix. Anyway, Linux/Unix was always very different than Windows, catering to different needs and wants at the time.

Something like that just from memory.... There was always "A year for Linux" I'm sure looking up the actual years and history, verses my boggled brain, would be interesting and enlightening, before assuming stuff today without knowing where it came from and it's fascinating evolution over time..

Even if you don't like Linux, which is cool, it's just dissing it, is not as interesting as using it over many decades! hehe

 

[bob466]

I will never understand how a windoze user can complain about Linux.

windoze 7 was my last...it was bad back then but how anyone could use windoze now must be crazy.

I watched a few youtube videos on windoze 11 and what microslop is now doing it's beyond shocking...I'm glad I use Linux.

 

[wizardfromoz]

Why posts are selectively deleted, considering the original topic from a newbie to linux ranting, is alittle mean I think, when they are polite posts with some input. No sleep lost here.

Not really sure what you mean by that.

You had mentioned the Red Hat floppies at https://www.linux.org/threads/what-made-you-finally-run-for-the-linux-hills.63837/post-299729 , but I don't recall it being here. If so, my bad.

BTW they were not deleted, simply moved to a new thread, placed appropriately.

 

[Condobloke]

What a tedious topic. Every year is the year of Linux.

5 factors steadily fueling Linux's desktop rise

Linux has been quietly moving from niche to mainstream - and this is why.

www.zdnet.com

Top Supercomputers? Linux Powered.

Linux Malware Detection Rates​

Linux maintains stronger security metrics compared to other operating systems. Windows accounts for approximately 87% of global malware detections in 2025, while macOS represents 13%.


Linux malware detections account for only 1.3% of all operating system-targeted malware despite the platform powering critical infrastructure worldwide.

Linux, is THE operating system. Year upon year, it proves itself.

Competition?

What competition. !

 

[zhang060]

Linux is indeed difficult for newcomers, especially users who are accustomed to Windows operation, but this does not prevent learning Linux, because it is a new open source free and secure operating system, and there must be a difference between commercialization, and it must not take the commercial road. Personally, I think it is mainly a matter of learning mentality. Abandoning windows habits and re-learning is a necessary mentality. Otherwise, why learn linux? Nothing is difficult in the world. If you want to learn, you will be right. As long as you love it, you will have motivation.
Linux对于新手来说确实有难度，尤其是习惯了Windows操作的用户，但这并不妨碍学习Linux，因为它是一个新的开源免费安全的操作系统，和商业化一定有区别，绝对不能走商业化的道路。我个人认为主要是学习心态的问题。抛弃windows习惯，重新学习是一种必要的心态。为什么要学Linux？世上无难事。如果你想学习，你是对的。只要你喜欢它，你就会有动力。

 

[zhang060]

I am also just learning not a few days of novice, work together to refuel it!
我也是刚学没几天的新手，一起加油吧！
我也是刚学没几天的新手，一起加油吧！


And my English is not good, but this does not prevent me from communicating with you here.