'Upgrade to "Linux Mint 22.3 Zena" is available

[wizardfromoz]

Back on topic, for those of you who use DistroWatch, the official release for Zena became available during the last 24 hours.

I am of two minds whether to upgrade in situ with my Zara or to do a fresh install of Zena.

I'll probably do the latter, although I am approaching the limit of the number of distros I like to run.

Cheers

 

[Brickwizard]

Brian, I have a standing thing i try and tech people to develop a strong but memorable password for them, it goes like this, choose 2 totally unconnected words you can remember of at least 6 letters [as an example Vegemite and kangaroo ] now take a date you can remember say 1st january 1901 or 01011901, now the fun bit break the date into segments say 01 011 901, we then combine the words and date adding some wild cards and get something like.. 01-vegimite/011\kangaroo_901 now capitalise some letters but not the first or last in each word and change some letters to numbers or vice versa, and we may get, o1-vEG1mite/011\kAng4ro0_90l then wack it in a password checker and the result is

 

[wizardfromoz]

Lol

vegemite

not vegimite

 

[Brickwizard]

Lol

vegemite

not vegimite

don't blame me blame the spell checker,, the important thing is you got the gist of how to.. I first thought of Fosters and water then i realised they were the same thing

 

[wizardfromoz]

Indeed... my friend, no-one here actually admits to drinking Fosters, we just export it. Later.

 

[Condobloke]

I first thought of Fosters and water then i realised they were the same thing

Indeed... my friend, no-one here actually admits to drinking Fosters, we just export it. Later.

LOL......and both of you told the truth !!!

 

[KGIII]

would you share an example of what you refer to as a complex,

For example, an abbreviated nickname, combined with some specific dates, a series of unusual characters, and followed by an indicator of which site I was using at the time. Basically, a 24-character password that's so specific to me that the odds of another person using that password are essentially zero. The password was never used on any other sites, and the series of unusual characters was also unique to that site.

 

[KGIII]

Davids call

That might be better discussed in a DM with David, Brian, unless David doesn't mind.

Chris

It's all good. I haven't used that format for a long time. Though even if someone knew my format, things would have still been extremely difficult to guess on a site-by-site basis. They were also too large to reasonably brute force. A brute force attempt would have taken a whole lot of years. Plus, the password was unique to their site. Also, a ton of other people had their passwords leaked from the same hack. So, yeah, that's what happened.

That's still not the worst I've experienced. No... I had my security clearance, which requires a full version of my life. They can, and do, go find your childhood friends to ask about you. And that's just the start of it. It's a complete profile of you, with the information of all your friends and family. Well, the OPM was storing that (long after they needed to). They got hacked, and my data was in the data that was exfiltrated.

I think they gave me a year's worth of credit monitoring for my trouble. Yeah...

 

[PuppyHome]

After a few days since the upgrade: No issues, all is well. Even feels more responsive somehow.

The new menu though.......really?!?! Why? What was wrong with the old one?
Thought I'd bring the subject up.

Everything else is better since the upgrade.

 

[Condobloke]

There is a 'fix' for the menu upgrade if you dislike it

It comes in the form of an applet (right click on panel, then on applets

Download it....then go to Manage......install it.

 

[PuppyHome]

There is a 'fix' for the menu upgrade if you dislike it

It comes in the form of an applet (right click on panel, then on applets

View attachment 29820

Download it....then go to Manage......install it.

Yeah well that's my issue.

The above should have been an OPTION instead of a 'solution'.
One could get used to the new menu I guess as far as right now I don't get the point of changing it.

Not to diss n Mint in any, way, shape or form. It's a personal preference thing.

 

[The Duck]

I downloaded and installed both Linux Mint 22.3 Zena and LMDE 7 GIGI.

I looked everywhere on both of them and WayLand just ain't there yet.

I guess it may be there in the next release but as of now it's X11.

I will say this that LMDE 7 GIGI is a lot faster and not sluggish as Linux Mint 22.3 Zena appears to be.

To be fair Linux Mint 22.3 Zena may have been sluggish because my computers are not newfangled race car computers.

The other thing I noticed is that LMDE 7 GIGI uses a lot less real estate on the HDD than Linux Mint 22.3 Zena.

 

[tpkusr]

Linux Mint 22.2 Zena

A little clarification: Isn't Linux Mint 22.2 Zara? And is Linux Mint 22.3 Zena?

 

[The Duck]

A little clarification: Isn't Linux Mint 22.2 Zara? And is Linux Mint 22.3 Zena?

Thanks for catching that.

Just wasn't paying attention.

 

[wizardfromoz]

I'm like that with year changes, lol - it's 2026

Yeah?

 

[The Duck]

@wizardfromoz
You are not alone my friend.

 

[KGIII]

it's 2026

The change to 2000 was rough. Heck, I even performed on NYE. (At about 23:58, we started playing Prince's song '1999'.) Not even that helped set it into my memory. I suspect there were a lot of forms with the date scribbled out, and the correct data was written in.

 

[Condobloke]

I looked everywhere on both of them and WayLand just ain't there yet.

Click on menu, then on Log out (next to shutdown,)
That will log you out. Then click on the little 'mountain' icon in top right hand corner of password box....select wayland (experimental) from the drop down list. Log in.

To return to cinnamon, you have to select it again.

 

[KGIII]

To return to cinnamon, you have to select it again.

I think I'm adding clarity, but I could be adding confusion. I am DEFINITELY not an expert with Wayland. So, I could be wrong.

Even when they're using Wayland, they're still running Cinnamon. You're running Cinnamon regardless. In this case, it's X11 by default, and you can select to use Wayland instead. As you mentioned, the Wayland bit is experimental.

They're not really 'returning' to Cinnamon, as both are using Cinnamon. It's just that one is running X11 and the other is using Wayland.

The verbiage is a bit messy. Wayland isn't an application. It's a protocol. Some call it a 'display protocol'. (This is also true with the X window system.) Fairly often, I see people say that they're 'running on X11' or 'running on Wayland'. It should probably be 'with' instead of 'on', but it has entered our lexicon as is, and it's unlikely to change.

I think that's right.

I'm just trying to make that clearer. If I'm mistaken, someone will happily correct me (as they should, hopefully).

 

[The Duck]

@Condobloke

I will give that a try in a few days.

Thanks


@KGIII

I've seen it called running "XWayland"

Not really sure what it's refered to other than in Ubuntu it's seen as "WayLand server" although don't hold me to that.

I've only used Wayland in Ubuntu running Gnome desktop environment.

I would think since Cinnamon desktop is Gnome based I'd think Wayland would be the same although I'm uncertain.