Right move?

[noelw]

noel@Mac:~$ neofetch
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/s/ .yyyyyyyyyyo: +o- Uptime: 3 hours, 17 mins
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noel@Mac:~$
My belief is Mint will finish with Ubuntu eventually. I may be wrong. However i have jumped ship and swapped over to LMDE. I feel to me it is a move in the right direction. Any thoughts on this good people.

 

[Condobloke]

I think that is a wise move, Noel.

Ubuntu continues to be the outlier....which may be either good or not so good. I tend to notice the rough edges of Ubuntu...particularly when a new version etc hits the streets. Maybe I am being overly picky, but I have always been under the impression that Ubuntu has been held in fairly high regard. The flaws which have appeared have done nothing to confirm that for me....quite the opposite, in fact. Uncertainty rears its ugly head.

I guess it comes down to personal choice......but faced with a choice between an ubuntu that begins to have a deleterious affect on Linux Mint, and LMDE....LMDE will get my vote. Being based on Debian (directly) is a huge plus. The sense of rock solid (almost to the point of ebing a bit boring) is more than impressive. I can live with 'boring' over 'uncertainty' any time

I dont think Clem will allow it to have a poor effect on Linux Mint.....I think the work that Clem and his team put in largely overcomes any nasty negatives.
At the same time I recognise Clem's ability to manage the OS he manages/owns. I will place trust in him long before I place trust in anyone associated with Ubuntu.

There may come a time when Clem simply says....enough is enough. The work made necessary to 'straighten' ubuntu out before we can safely use it as the base is so colossal, that our time is better spent by switching bases....to Debian.
I am by no means certain, but the timeline for this to happen could easily be a couple of years....then again it may happen in a couple of months. Clem does play his cards very close to his chest

Having said all that...LMDE7 will hit the streets soon.....I think august?...as will LM22.2 ....not sure....But...when they do, my plan is to make a dual boot of Linux Mint Cinnamon 22.2 and LMDE7
Me !...a dual boot! it will be a first. I have never dual booted before.

It's called getting my ducks in a row. Boy Scout....be prepared.

Plus....I actually like using LMDE.

 

[noelw]

I think that is a wise move, Noel.

Ubuntu continues to be the outlier....which may be either good or not so good. I tend to notice the rough edges of Ubuntu...particularly when a new version etc hits the streets. Maybe I am being overly picky, but I have always been under the impression that Ubuntu has been held in fairly high regard. The flaws which have appeared have done nothing to confirm that for me....quite the opposite, in fact. Uncertainty rears its ugly head.

I guess it comes down to personal choice......but faced with a choice between an ubuntu that begins to have a deleterious affect on Linux Mint, and LMDE....LMDE will get my vote. Being based on Debian (directly) is a huge plus. The sense of rock solid (almost to the point of ebing a bit boring) is more than impressive. I can live with 'boring' over 'uncertainty' any time

I dont think Clem will allow it to have a poor effect on Linux Mint.....I think the work that Clem and his team put in largely overcomes any nasty negatives.
At the same time I recognise Clem's ability to manage the OS he manages/owns. I will place trust in him long before I place trust in anyone associated with Ubuntu.

There may come a time when Clem simply says....enough is enough. The work made necessary to 'straighten' ubuntu out before we can safely use it as the base is so colossal, that our time is better spent by switching bases....to Debian.
I am by no means certain, but the timeline for this to happen could easily be a couple of years....then again it may happen in a couple of months. Clem does play his cards very close to his chest

Having said all that...LMDE7 will hit the streets soon.....I think august?...as will LM22.2 ....not sure....But...when they do, my plan is to make a dual boot of Linux Mint Cinnamon 22.2 and LMDE7
Me !...a dual boot! it will be a first. I have never dual booted before.

It's called getting my ducks in a row. Boy Scout....be prepared.

Plus....I actually like using LMDE.

Very well put Brian, I could not agree with you more. Thank you.

 

[noelw]

I think that is a wise move, Noel.

Ubuntu continues to be the outlier....which may be either good or not so good. I tend to notice the rough edges of Ubuntu...particularly when a new version etc hits the streets. Maybe I am being overly picky, but I have always been under the impression that Ubuntu has been held in fairly high regard. The flaws which have appeared have done nothing to confirm that for me....quite the opposite, in fact. Uncertainty rears its ugly head.

I guess it comes down to personal choice......but faced with a choice between an ubuntu that begins to have a deleterious affect on Linux Mint, and LMDE....LMDE will get my vote. Being based on Debian (directly) is a huge plus. The sense of rock solid (almost to the point of ebing a bit boring) is more than impressive. I can live with 'boring' over 'uncertainty' any time

I dont think Clem will allow it to have a poor effect on Linux Mint.....I think the work that Clem and his team put in largely overcomes any nasty negatives.
At the same time I recognise Clem's ability to manage the OS he manages/owns. I will place trust in him long before I place trust in anyone associated with Ubuntu.

There may come a time when Clem simply says....enough is enough. The work made necessary to 'straighten' ubuntu out before we can safely use it as the base is so colossal, that our time is better spent by switching bases....to Debian.
I am by no means certain, but the timeline for this to happen could easily be a couple of years....then again it may happen in a couple of months. Clem does play his cards very close to his chest

Having said all that...LMDE7 will hit the streets soon.....I think august?...as will LM22.2 ....not sure....But...when they do, my plan is to make a dual boot of Linux Mint Cinnamon 22.2 and LMDE7
Me !...a dual boot! it will be a first. I have never dual booted before.

It's called getting my ducks in a row. Boy Scout....be prepared.

Plus....I actually like using LMDE.

Very well put Brian, I could not agree with you more. Thank you

 

[osprey]

Any thoughts on this good people.

The following are some thoughts and observations.

Canonical looks to be increasingly preferring snap packages for ubuntu releases. It's projected by some observers online that in the future, some packages will be exclusively released as snap packages. For some people, snaps are an issue.

The problems cited about snap packages include aspects such as tending to be slow to install and start up, taking up more disk space than the corresponding .deb packages, and replicating within themselves the libraries and other files that already exist on installations doubling up on software unnecessarily.

Another issue for some people is that the back end of the snap package repository is not free and open source software, but rather, closed source exclusive to Canonical. That infringes upon the basic outlook of the FOSS inclined community.

Whilst ubuntu has a large community of developers and others working for the distro, it is not a purely community driven distribution like debian. Rather it's largely controlled and supported by the commercial interests and imperatives of the Canonical company. Whilst Canonical has a very capable and successful product in ubuntu, some people prefer to associate themselves with more open community driven distros which are more FOSS oriented and committed.

Amongst what are usually described as the more community driven distros, there are variations that may also affect people's choices. Debian is governed by its developers through democratic processes where there are regular elections on the leadership. It's led by volunteers and it is open to anyone to become a debian developer, maintainer or contributor. Some individuals in the debian community may be employed by companies elsewhere but debian is not beholden to any of that nor to commercial interests.

Linuxmint on the other hand is developed primarily by a core team lead by its founder Clement Lefebre. It's the core group that makes the decisions. There's no formal democratic structures such as those in debian. It's founder, Clement Lefebre, can be considered a BDFL, a benevolent dictator for life, though that's a rather informal epithet which may be rejected. It's similar to the position of Patrick Volkerding at slackware who also leads a core team that makes the decisions and is often called a BDFL. People may of course disagree about those characterisations but still get the basic sense of the differences.

 

[kc1di]

Yep think it is a good move. But going to be awhile before Mint dumps Ubuntu or ubuntu just makes it impossible for mint to use their repositories.

 

[KGIII]

some packages will be exclusively released as snap packages.

This is already true.

At the same time, it's important to note that a ton of developers are moving to releasing snaps. They are seeing the tech and deciding to make that change. Canonical has no sway there, as they could just as easily continue packaging as they had been. At this point, most snaps are 3td party software.

Personally, I don't really care. That's just my thoughts on the matter. Nobody is obligated to agree, though I think folks should probably look into it to develop their own views.

I can really think of only one complaint that's mildly annoying. The server hosting snaps is not open source. I don't think it matters but it seems like a strange choice for Ubuntu to have made.

 

[Alexzee]

Yep think it is a good move. But going to be awhile before Mint dumps Ubuntu or ubuntu just makes it impossible for mint to use their repositories.

Agreed. LMDE 6 ran great for me. Surprisingly on a 12 year old laptop.
It was slow but ran well.