No CD drive. Now what?

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You are entitled to your opinion. My opinion is the polar opposite.

By the way, the linux kernel is not an operating system. There are dozens of operating systems that use it, so your journey can either be fun with lots of choices or agonizing with lots of frustration. Hopefully you will choose the former.

Always have fun

Vektor
 


I suspect that many millions of Mint users worldwide would disagree with you, but if your bad experience so far is legitimate and not just a trolling exercise, then a re-installation attempt by you might help you make a better judgement for or against.

Millions? Who are they? I have never seen nor heard of anyone using Mint other than those on this forum. Never seen or heard of anybody depend in whole or in part any other kind of Linux either, certainly not in a business environment of any type. One exception: Dad, who was 80 at the time. The explanation of his exception demonstrates the reason.

His HD crapped out along with his Windows on his old tower, and I had just enough familiarity with Ubuntu to install it and get it going enough to recover his data. Since he had pretty low demands for a computer -- check email, on line banking, a few snail mail letters, like that -- it turned out he could use it instead of Windows just fine even though he had only enough computer sophistication to do those few things, and only because I figured out how to put icons on his desktop that took him to the very, very small number of Internet places he needed to go. He wasn't going to do games or do his taxes or edit videos or use imaging apps or even order on line. I don't think he ever used the Start button in Windows and surely he did not use what amounts to start in Ubuntu. I rendered it unnecessary.

Not too much later, he joined a computing class in his 55+ community. The instructor owned a local computer repair store and was trying to drum up some business among non-sophisticates who were likely to do some damage by dropping their laptops, failing to shutdown correctly, like that, maybe wanted to use Word or Youtube.

Needless to say the instructor was dazzled when my father asked about Ubuntu because the instructor had never heard of anyone using it. He also had no idea what it did or how to get it going, and so he started peppering Dad with questions Dad could not begin to answer.

And therein lies the problem. It is very unwise to try to use any Linux distro largely built in some high-schooler's bedroom in some non-computing business, including the most popular types, because weird and horrible and possibly irreparable things tend to happen* in the wild as they did to me. No Grub, no wifi, all day babysitting upgrades that would not take, and so on, and randomly timed Community Responses by persons with unknown skillsets to even desperate queries are just as likely to be guesses, surmise, or just wrong as they are to be helpful. Professional repairmen apparently don't have much grasp of it because there are so few calls for it, ie, a vicious cycle of no one uses it so no one can fix it so no one feels safe using it.

You are not risking your business coming to a halt on a computer crap out that cannot necessarily be fixed in a minute, day or ever, as happened to me, just to save a few bucks by avoiding/protesting Windows or Apple when buying a computer.

For a doctor or lawyer or anyone else under severe time pressure, a case could be made that it is malpractice to allow his/her business to essentially shut down for an indeterminate time by using unknown-to-the-general-public software that may or may not be fixable at all or under any kind of reliable timetable when the client's life and/or property is at stake. Anyone can have computer problems; not everyone can invite them by using unknown services with tendencies of unreliability. You certainly don't see airlines buying planes from companies few have ever heard of. I'm pretty confident you didn't buy a car from some kid working out of his mother's garage. You probably bought something that is known, well reviewed, and has a series of dealerships that can do repairs on a schedule using sensors that tell mechanics what is wrong, rather than forcing them to guess or rely on the Community to assess the problem.

And you are definitely not spending lots of time and money retraining your staff to use "it's not Windows" after someone else has paid to have them learn Windows, as most people have done since kindergarten.

*Here's what happened today. I previously mentioned that in the past couple of days, I did as suggested, ie install a different distro. Manjaro, which had no problem creating a Grub allowing dual booting but also did not recognize my wifi dongle and did not appear to any software to all the use of wifi. So I found a workaround, a relay that receives by wifi but delivers to computers by ethernet, which Manjaro did recognize.

Well today was the day to upgrade the distro with the latest patches and it did not go smoothly. The download crapped out repeatedly, though it would resume if I started the upgrade process from scratch, and I did it several times after an equal number of crapouts. Eventually it completed the download, completed the install, and demanded a reboot.

Which resulted in Manjaro equivalent of a BSOD each of the 4 or so times I tried it. I had to reinstall from scratch, and then I did the upgrade. Total time: about 3.5 hours.

Imagine if I had to effectively close my business over a routine upgrade that has to be babysat and might not work. Not really prudent.

I also still don't know if I have wifi.

Millions? I'm seriously skeptical.
 
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Millions? Who are they? I have never seen nor heard of anyone using Mint other than those on this forum.
Perhaps you need to get out more....?

Perhaps this will help your otherwise cloistered upbringing


As the member immediately above this post suggested......

Troll

ps. You earned that title
 
@totalnoob One wonders why you bothered to join our ranks five weeks ago, at all.

Question for you relating to your OP

How much space does the Windows 7 consume, roughly, in GB?

Wizard

BTW - had I not read #63 and #64, I would likely have answered in the same vein.

I'm seriously skeptical.

I am seriously skeptical that you are seriously looking to find a solution, but depending on your answers to my questions, you could prove me wrong, and I already have a couple of options for you, if you are prepared to entertain them, and not just entertain yourself.

Cheers

Wizard
 
OP,

The very first thing you said in your first post was..."I'm not a fan of Linux"...this statement has proved to be very true.
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You claim that the only people who use Mint are on this Forum...that is totally false...I think you need this...
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I am trying so hard not to laugh, and to maintain my professional composure.
 
I am trying so hard not to laugh, and to maintain my professional composure.

I can't talk...I had a rant about trying to install Mint Cinnamon 22.1 in Virtualbox and checksums but when I installed Cinnamon 22.1 on my SSD the other day...I must say it's very good.

Everything installed without problems...especially the Printer and Scanner...so I can't complain...maybe the OP might want to try Mint but I doubt that will happen.
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I did some looking...

The following is PURELY for entertainment!

Finding hard numbers is a pain.

For a while, Linux users were in the 4.5% range. This was during a time when interest was piqued and it appears to be down in the 3% range again. (Which is, oddly, less than 'other'.)

There are an estimated, again this seems to vary, 1.2 billion desktop computers on the planet (that number includes laptops but not phones or tablets).

If we accept the 3% and 1.2 billion, that leaves us with 36,000,000 desktop Linux users across the globe. That's a large sum but not that large. Tokyo, Japan, has just under 38,000,000 people.

Let's say we don't like those numbers and we'll insist that it's higher. Let's say 4%, so 48,000,000 desktop Linux users.

With those numbers, I too don't know if there are millions, that is plural, of Linux Mint users. I'd be skeptical of that claim.

We Linux users aren't too keen on telemetry, which means we're kind of fighting with one hand tied behind our back when it comes to this sort of stuff. These numbers are pretty fuzzy. Finding exact numbers on a per-distro basis doesn't work.

We can't even use downloads as an accurate metric because I have downloaded the most recent version of Mint three times this year. We have people who download a new .iso every time it is released to do a clean install. We remove the .iso after we don't need it and download it again when we do. We may use that same download to install on multiple systems!

We also have all the different versions within a distro family, be they different 'flavors' or completely different (but supported) releases. To make it more interesting, we have people who insist on using distros that are no longer supported. We also have the odd folks who will run a desktop distro as a server - or use a server distro as a desktop. (I can assure you, those running Mint as their server will be a vanishingly small number.)

We can't really use DistroWatch as an example. They're barely in the top 10,000 websites. The Ubuntu.com website is in the top 1000 websites (for example). Those numbers are using open data from the sites that aggregate data and are considered accurate within just a few percentage points, AFAIK. The LinuxMint web address is right about at the 10,000 mark and is actually below the DistroWatch site, meaning they get less traffic than DistroWatch gets.

I'll also mention that each Ubuntu flavor has its own website. I didn't bother to check those individually and those numbers are included in any of my logic - but this will be maybe a bit interesting as this post goes on.

So, just these numbers make me skeptical of the millions claim. While Mint is popular here, it's not nearly as popular elsewhere. You can see the metrics for Ubuntu and Mint (as examples to compare) on sites like Reddit. Ubuntu has going on twice as many users of that site AND Ubuntu has their own well defined support system with their own dedicated SE site at AskUbuntu.com. That would lower the number of people who would visit Reddit, sign up, and take the action to join the sub for purposes of long-term notifications.

If I had to guess, I would speculate that Ubuntu (and this is especially true if we include their official flavors) will be in the #1 slot. Given the diverse nature of Linux, with some 500 distros actively developed and 600 or so available, I could not say that Ubuntu has "millions" of users. I could not comfortably make that statement.

If we include all the derivatives, then it'd be Debian (on which Ubuntu is based) that would take the cake - I'm pretty sure. I think they'd pretty much dominate that market based on the number of distros based on Debian and the number of distros based on those distros...

But, we're not here for derivatives. My guess is that the Ubuntu family of flavors dominates the market, with Ubuntu being the leader of the block. (Which is weird, 'cause nobody likes GNOME once they get into other desktops! I kid... I kid...)

However, that's just a guess based on the numbers I have available to me. We do have fairly accurate tracking for site popularity as this is a very important metric for some businesses. You can freely find that data. When we do that, the Mint site isn't even as popular as the DistroWatch site - and that's like 8000 positions lower than the Ubuntu website.

As an aside, the Linux.org site is quite popular. Even though we hover around 25 questions per day, we have a wealth of knowledge. The percentage of people who choose to interact with a site is a very small number. This is known as CTR and is a very low barrier. That's about 4.2% of the people. Everyone else, the remainder of those people, visit one page and then leave. It's less than 1% of the people who will even leave a comment on an article. (Some sites will have higher engagement rates because of their very design and function, so we're just using industry averages.)

So, there's some numbers and some guesstimates. There's some fuzzy estimates involved and I can't draw any hard conclusions. But, to be fair, I'd be skeptical of there being millions of Linux Mint users.

Again, this posts was lovingly crafted for your entertainment. The OP is obviously a troll and should be treated as such by the admins/moderators. The rest of you should probably just not add much to the conversation as it won't help and will only make things worse. (Unless you want to continue to try to help them, but they've pretty much demonstrated that they're not really interested in help.)
 
wonder where those numbers come from? its gotta be averaged - I'm a single user but I have 5x computers (2x mint, 2x arch, 1x dietpi) so I'm not 5x users.... right? I'd imagine that most of us have a couple laptops/desktops each of various distros and presumably that inflates and muddles the numbers.
 
its gotta be averaged

The overall estimates for desktop users are pretty fuzzy but generally agreed to be in the 3% to 4% region.

The website tracking data, that is popularity, will be very accurate. There are whole businesses based around this.

The total number of desktops was a NFP figure released in 2024.

Reddit data is easily seen on the front page for the sub-reddit.

etc...

As for the websites thing, that's not linear. Traffic is concentrated into the top 100 sites and people tend to view far fewer sites that that unless they're searching. So, something in the top 100 will get a ton more traffic than something in the top 1000. The top 1000 sites will get a ton more traffic than the top 10,000 sites. Those numbers, as in their position in popularity, will be accurate enough for the rough math we're doing.

I know this will sound a bit odd, but I want to say there was a time when we actually had more desktop computers than we have now. I seem to recall some higher numbers from back in the early 2000s area, between that and 2010 (or so). I suspect that mobile devices are easier and cheaper and mobile phones have become more powerful. Grandma no longer needs a PC to send an email. She can type it out on her iPad and has FaceTime figured out.

My guess is, with all the numbers, that Ubuntu (with all the flavors) would take the #1 position - based on things like the volume of support questions.

That's just a guess based on the numbers we do have. I couldn't even begin to estimate what that exact number would be.

In my digging, I did find the following link. I think you'll understand why I didn't include it in the above post:

 
I think that we'll save time and just lock the thread. If the OP seeks a serious solution, as I referenced here

...I already have a couple of options for you, if you are prepared to entertain them, and not just entertain yourself.

... he can contact me or other Staff and we'll review its status.

I will detail my solution in an upcoming thread, and reference it here (Staff can still post in a locked thread).

Cheers
 
@totalnoob some Q&A
Q.
This is not good for me as our son's x-box shares the signal and he will have discontinuity anytime I go on.

A. click the icon below, in system tray at far right, and switch wifi off when you need to, Up to you and your son to work out the details.

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Q.
Are there options for me to get some Linux dual booted?

From your Mint desktop, open your File Manager, move to File System and double-click the entry in right pane
/etc

Find in there /default

right-click and Open as Root/Administrator

Find the file grub and right-click and open in Text Editor

Find the line that says

GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=hidden

and change it to

GRUB_TIMEOUT_STYLE=menu

Save and exit the file and the File Manager.

The following must be performed from a Terminal

Code:
sudo update-grub

Reboot the machine and see if a Grub Menu appears, hopefully it will feature a mention of Windows.

If these work for you, you can DM (message/converse with) me with a view to reopening the Thread.

Good luck.

Wizard
 
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