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Hello so I just wanted to ask you guys if you really think using linux is protecting yourselves or making you glow even more. I have recently tried to use many linux distros but I was unhappy with my search for privacy because it seems that everywhere I look I always find a hole. Let me give a example, I don't understand how now everybody seems to use "CachyOS" but it was only made 3-5 years ago, and the person behind it also started getting recognition in that time, and now is the maintainer for proton vpn packages that only exists on Arch Linux. It just seems very strange to me, I don't know if anybody feels this way. It just seems like the privacy has been getting worse lately everywhere. Another example, on ubuntu and other distros, why do they force snap packages by default that specifically run on a separate environment (a sandbox), and on debian, had trouble uninstalling the firefox they force upon you (the firefox esr corp edition or bussiness edition) and mozilla gives a specific tag or edition to it which compromises privacy, because they can differentiate who's using from debian and the edition and run it on a sandbox environment as well. So what do you guys think? Do you really think linux is helping you or exposing you more? And what do you recommend me to use if any what all? I'm trying to use arch but I think its not very practical, I would need to read a book if I wanted to use it, I'm relatively new to this, I just have it to learn code but as I said I don't think its secure especially if you don't know how to control it if you know what I mean. So what do you guys recommend? Thanks,
 
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Snap is exclusively an Ubuntu thing. There are no snaps in Debian unless you specifically go to the trouble to install and enable them. I do not run Ubuntu. Linux is about as secure as it is possible to make it and still have it usable. I know nothing about CachyOS, and that's all I care to know. No one is forced to use any Firefox version, the regular version is installable on anything. Arch is not known as the most user-friendly distro, and I don't recommend it, but it is a choice. IMO Debian is about as secure and stable as anything else, and I've stuck with it for years, after more years of distro hopping and not being satisfied with either the Debian derivative distros or others. I went to the source, and I'm content to stay there.

Perhaps the strap on your tin-foil hat is becoming too tight.
 
Snap is exclusively an Ubuntu thing. There are no snaps in Debian unless you specifically go to the trouble to install and enable them. I do not run Ubuntu. Linux is about as secure as it is possible to make it and still have it usable. I know nothing about CachyOS, and that's all I care to know. No one is forced to use any Firefox version, the regular version is installable on anything. Arch is not known as the most user-friendly distro, and I don't recommend it, but it is a choice. IMO Debian is about as secure and stable as anything else, and I've stuck with it for years, after more years of distro hopping and not being satisfied with either the Debian derivative distros or others. I went to the source, and I'm content to stay there.

Perhaps the strap on your tin-foil hat is becoming too tight.
First of all I don't know what you mean by the strap on my tin foil hat is becoming too tight, that sounded very provocative for no reason I've been respectful on the entire thread. And about debian is clearly not very safe since it already comes installed with Firefox ESR a special edition and not from the source, I like debian also but I think I metion this I tried to uninstall the prepackaged firefox on the lastest debian build I think its trixie and the system just bugged out and wouldn't let me I ended up moving to another. Thanks
 
Snap is exclusively an Ubuntu thing. There are no snaps in Debian unless you specifically go to the trouble to install and enable them. I do not run Ubuntu. Linux is about as secure as it is possible to make it and still have it usable. I know nothing about CachyOS, and that's all I care to know. No one is forced to use any Firefox version, the regular version is installable on anything. Arch is not known as the most user-friendly distro, and I don't recommend it, but it is a choice. IMO Debian is about as secure and stable as anything else, and I've stuck with it for years, after more years of distro hopping and not being satisfied with either the Debian derivative distros or others. I went to the source, and I'm content to stay there.

Perhaps the strap on your tin-foil hat is becoming too tight.
I know that I may be sounding paranoid sorry about that. I was just curious if anybody also felt this way because I don't see almost anyone talking about this.
 
G'day kwacontrol, Welcome to Linux.org

your position in the Linux world is quite obvious. You are a beginner, although you seem somewhat confused/frustrated.

Before you get to drive a truck, it is an excellent idea to learn how to drive a car, first.
Taking on things like cachyos and/or Arch is not for those still trying to find their feet. It takes experience....either that or someone with experience teaching you. In that teaching scenario, would you have a clue what you are really doing?...No.

The place to start, is where you will receive the most help, sound advice, and follow up if you need it at whatever stage.
There are lots of folk who regard Linux Mint as a beginners distro. I think/know that is wrong. Linux mint simply has the biggest following. Therefore there is more help available, there is more knowledge available.
There is nothing 'easy' about Linux Mint. There simply more people with good knowledge about how to use it/how it works/how to safeguard data on it etc etc etc....and most importantly the people with that knowledge are willing to share that knowledge.
Why do I recommend Linux Mint? It is rock solid and reliable, with an abundance of apps available, It just works.
Other members will recommend different OS's for different reasons, they are all worth listening to.
At the end of the day, which one you use is your decision/choice....what fits you
Some distro's suit gaming more than others. there quite a number of members here who game....lots of them in fact. Some use Linux Mint, some don't. What's the difference I hear you ask....probably just the DE (desktop environment).....what you see when the pc boots up and you are presented with a particular layout ... @f33dm3bits can tell you more about that.
I do not like snap packages. They take up enormous amounts of room. Running in a sandbox is cool, but I do not find the need for them. They also have a 'not so good' reputation with Linux Mint . The lead developer of Linux Mint, Clem Lefebvre explains why they are not liked, HERE

Uninstalling Firefox is not hard in Debian, or anywhere else for that matter. I have no experience of Debian, but I can only assume they have some sort of Software Manage/repository similar to Mint. Firefox can be uninstalled in that software manager, or in Synaptic package manager. A few clicks and it's gone.

Why did you wish to uninstall Firefox ?

don't understand how now everybody seems to use "CachyOS"
For some unknown reason cachyos has attracted a lot of attention. i have no idea why. Lots of people have downloaded it according to distrowatch.com ...how many people continue to use it, is unknown.

You said up above, that you always find a hole in your search for privacy.
What does 'privacy' mean to you?
I maintain that privacy /security etc are linked to the user....closely.
I read some of the members complaints here, who have moved to linux from Windows, and they detail the number of times that they have sacrificed their personal information in order to use certain parts of windows.
So, as the user there, they willingly gave away their personal info/data etc etc so they could continue using windows. That is a huge cost.

I could ramble on for pages, but after reading what I and others have said here, it is probably time for some more input from you.

Just a bit more to read/wrap your mind about. I wrote this a few years ago over at reddit.

The vast majority of Linux users accept the security of Linux "on faith"....simply because it has been that way for many years, and would appear to be going to continue that way.

Their attitude is understandable, because behind all that you see, is a complex web of people who keep Linux safe. The number of people involved would astound you. They are spread worldwide, there are a huge number of 'failsafes' built in...so that errors/mistakes etc rarely, if ever, happen.

At my level, (11 years on Linux Mint, 8 years on linux.org forums) I am quite content to trust the process, but I also keep a wary eye out for 'changes' that do not make sense.....that set off an alarm bell, if and when I see them. i am definitely not a paranoiac. I leave that state of mind for those who are thus inclined.

As far as I am aware, there is no facility to check, checksums or hashes etc etc for Linux Mint software.

Is it possible I am mistaken ?.......yes, of course......But I do not think I am.

When it comes to managing packages, you do have to trust something. After all, trust is an integral part of life.

Linux Software, eg Gimp, is to be found in the Software Manager.

In menu, type in Software Manager....as it appears, right click on it and select 'add to panel'

This will place the icon for the software manager in your panel (task bar)

A single click on that icon will open it. If this is the firt time it has run, give it a minute to load the repository. Any time after the initial loading will be much quicker

Type in gimp to the search area. Install it from there. You can also uninstall from there.

How do you know it is safe?...Experience. From installing from that place countless times without incident.

Software from the internet. This is a risk. For well know apps, the risk is somewhat reduced, but you are trusting that no one has interfered with that site. people like mozilla (firefox) and chrome (google etc) go to great lengths to keep heir sites safe. They have a vested interest ($) in keeping their sites clean.

However...if you see a site with an app for doing something that is attractive but more obscure than is usual for example : (https://obsproject.com/)

....would you trust it ?...really ???

Because I have the experience that I have....if I really wanted/needed that particular software......i would download it.

At the first sign of something 'not right' ....i would use sudo apt purge package/app name....and then sudo apt autoremove .......to rid my system of it. I may even do a Restore in Timeshift to go back a day or two to get completely away from it, as well as wiping any Timeshift snapshot that had been taken the day I installed that software.

It is a fact that the Software Manager (also called the Repository) has a huge number of apps. It is equally true that there is no list of contents which you search. The only way you can discover what is in there is by experimentation. When I see an app somewhere...often on a users post at Linux.org etc....I sometimes wonder where did he/she get that ???.....I will search in Software Manager for it...I will use different words to look for it, or preferably something that does the same thing.

Having done that, most of the time I will then uninstall it. I have only done it to experiment....just something to do. Occasionally I find something of use, in which case it stays installed.

There is no rule book....no recipe

Make the system suit YOU. It is Linux, it is free, it is about having Choices.

SO, find an approach that suits you. That makes you feel safe.

There is no AV necessary for Linux. That may change in the future. Then again that has been said for the last 10 years that i know of, and probably for longer. This people who maintain Linux, work unbelievably HARD to keep it safe.

The most important digital signature/checksum etc....is the one for your OS (operating system) ....In my case, that is Linux Mint 22.1

Read Here:

[https://linuxmint-installation-guid...n-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/verify.html)


If you already have Linux Mint downloaded, the simplest approach is to right click the .iso file you downloaded and select Verify.
There three areas to check there..: URL's ....Local Files....Checksum

It takes a bit of wrapping your head around.

Where to get help?....wherever suits you.

Linuxmint.com

Linux.org

would be two of the better forums. Linux.org is more friendly.
 
And about debian is clearly not very safe since it already comes installed with Firefox ESR a special edition and not from the source
You are quite incorrect.
Firefox esr means extended support release.
Anything that is branded Firefox, comes directly from Mozilla....which is the source.

debian is perhaps the strongest safest distro around.

Making rash statements, without first researching the facts, will not do you any favours
 
Thanks for your long answer, yes Im just a beginner and I realize Im stepping into a territory I dont know. Ill keep your rec in mind right now Im just messing around, theres a new arch iso I think, Im experimenting with it. Its just better to delete this thread and when I was talking about privacy I was just talking about freedom and not feeling watched thats all. I already got your feedback thanks
 
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Some distro's suit gaming more than others. there quite a number of members here who game....lots of them in fact. Some use Linux Mint, some don't. What's the difference I hear you ask....probably just the DE (desktop environment).....what you see when the pc boots up and you are presented with a particular layout ... @f33dm3bits can tell you more about that.
What can I tell you more about?

It's not very nice that you got your topic solved but the edited your original first post in the topic so no one can read back what your having trouble with. I did approve it but because I just woke up I hadn't actually bothered to check which topic it was for.
 
I have reverted it back, as I had done some work to help the Member, and if he does not wish to use it, others can benefit.

I will list the steps in the Post that follows, and will just lock this while I do so.

Chris Turner
wizardfromoz
 
My first steps were as follows, to remove the existing Firefox-ESR

1. Unpinned the Firefox launcher from my Task Bar
2. Used the following commands to remove FF-ESR

Code:
sudo apt-get purge firefox-esr
sudo apt-get autoremove

I already had the method to install "regular" Firefox at my disposal, but for purposes of this exercise I tried out the Google AI, using keywords

debian install non-esr firefox

Which said in part

To install the latest (non-ESR) Firefox on Debian,
add the official Mozilla APT repository to receive updates, which provides a traditional .deb package. This avoids Snap and ESR limitations. Use these commands:

Code:
sudo install -d -m 0755 /etc/apt/keyrings

wget -q https://packages.mozilla.org/apt/repo-signing-key.gpg -O- | sudo tee /etc/apt/keyrings/packages.mozilla.org.asc > /dev/null

echo "deb [signed-by=/etc/apt/keyrings/packages.mozilla.org.asc] https://packages.mozilla.org/apt mozilla main" | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mozilla.list

echo -e 'Package: *\nPin: origin packages.mozilla.org\nPin-Priority: 1000' | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/mozilla

sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox

At the end of the process, I had a perfectly functioning, non-Snap, non-Flatpak Firefox working for me.

Cheers, and welcome to linux.org @kwacontrol

Wizard
 
What can I tell you more about?


It's not very nice that you got your topic solved but the edited your original first post in the topic so no one can read back what your having trouble with. I did approve it but because I just woke up I hadn't actually bothered to check which topic it was for.
Ok but Its my topic and I have my permissions for a reason right since you guys gave me, so I would appreciate you dont revert what I edited and I would like to know if I could even delete this. Thanks
 
Ok but Its my topic and I have my permissions for a reason right since you guys gave me, so I would appreciate you dont revert what I edited and I would like to know if I could even delete this. Thanks
That's a selfish way of using a forum since forums are for helping everyone and they aren't personal help desks, so even others can learn from other people's topics. I'll discuss the deleting of your topic with the admin and moderation team. If we do agree to your request, don't expect to get many replies here again if you create a new topic because forums are about sharing knowledge and information.
 
I'll discuss the deleting of your topic with the admin and moderation team. If we do agree to your request,
I discussed it with the moderation and admin team and it came to the following. Topics where other people other than OP have commented don't get deleted. You do not get the right to decide that someone's work gets deleted as those people put time and effort into a topic as well not only the OP. I will unlock the topic now.
 
The OP has been in touch with me and all is good.

Our Member Introductions section is a good spot to make friends and tell us a little about yourself.

Enjoy your Linux.

Wizard
 


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