That extends to the topic at hand as well: Most x86 CPU from Intel Skylake 6th-gen/AM4 onwards have a TPM on the chip - no dedicated chip needed anymore (optional = extra cost).
Do Lenovo laptops purchased with preinstalled Ubuntu have the TPM 2.0 chip
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It is, of course, only my feelings and opinion. I have not been happy about the direction for a few years now.
I started with an Apple 2C and there was no internet. Thus, I do remember and I remember it was ALL mine! PCs rapidly advanced a lot. Then when MS took over so much of the computing world, it be came a lot less about me owning the equipment and more about how companies want to allow me to use a machine. I quit MS when windows 8 came along. Now I am told I do not need a disc player in my PC because DVDs & CDs are so old school BUT I can buy one as a peripheral. Right! So here I am, back to building the machines I want that allow me to do what I want with them. If Microsoft & Google have their way, you will not need any Ram or storage because it will all be cloud rental. The advancing AI systems will mean you won't even own your thoughts!
Of course you can. Most folks don't need them and don't want to pay for them to be included. If you want one, you can buy one.
You can also find them in desktop systems. There are probably laptops out there, but those will be rare.
Average Joe doesn't want any optical media and doesn't want to pay for it. Just like back in the day, when Average Joe didn't need an optical drive and would have to pay extra for it. Really, in relation to popularity, optical media only mattered to most people for a fairly short number of years -- maybe 20 years if I'm being generous.
It's still cheaper than it has ever been for the amount of computational power you're getting.
Yeah, we totally agree there. That's why I use Linux, and why I make it a point to know what my computer is doing.
Better still, I can refurbish to what ever degree is needed on the 2 towers I have. Both have everything I want and making them run like new will not cost any more than buying new. I have been using the LM OS since 2012. I was one of the few that loved Windows VISTA and still have it in one machine. I think it just became popular to hate. I decided to be rid of Windows 8 as soon as I started to st it up. That was when I moved to LM. I have witnessed ever Windows OS since because the business was entirely Windows dependent. (I was the IT Dept. LOL)
I remember when I was in college, the chemistry department bought an electronic calculator. It was about the same size as a desktop computer, and could add, subtract, multiply, and divide so quickly we were amazed. It cost about $5,000 in 1966. In the 1980s I bought a pack of two calculators about the size of a credit card, which could do more than that machine could, for $5. I remember being barely able to afford a 10MB HDD. A terabyte SSD now costs much less than that monster did. I paid about $200 for the Thinkpad I'm typing this on, bought refurbished. It's a very capable machine, even though it was built in 2018 with integrated TPM. I don't think you will find a computer of any type, any brand, without one of those, built in the last decade.
Agreed! Technology has made incredible leaps! I remember when the computers were huge magnetic tapes and often had a whole room dedicated to them. I remember when punching computer cards was a job. I can not say I an comfortable with the most recent direction computing is headed. I stopped being amazed and started to worry in the last decade or so. I am careful to not store anything in the "cloud", I worry about the enormity of the resources for AI systems and data centers. It gets even more worrisome when Sam Altman thinks machines have greater value than the humanity they were supposed to be serving. It is possible to go too far. Think leaded gasoline, think atomic bombs and we can now do eugenics as never dreamed of by Hitler, we can do designer babies. Because we can does not me we should! Apparently, human brains have started to regress for lack of demand. Another generation or so, we should know definitively how much harm screen dependency can do.
I have been building and repairing desktops mainly but in 2010 I started doing laptops, components in real terms have plummeted in price, in real terms business computers has fallen a little in value but gaming boxes are over priced [my opinion]
I remember my first encounter with a business computer, it was in a special constructed room 14ftx12ft x10 ft with twin doors and full air conditioning, It was an IBM machine, but only capable of doing the accounts for several depots, we employed 3 girls [we called comtom operators] to feed in the information on terminals that was bigger than the size of a piano. Only 3 people had access keys, Me [that's how I became interested in computers] the MD and the SD id engineers from IBM came one of us [usually billy muggings] had to stay with them
A expect much had to do with the demands of the machine. A college may have had more demands than what ever kind of establishment I was in. (I don't remember what I was doing at the time & only saw that set up once.)
That would have been right around the time of the HP 9100. My school had a dozen or so, with the instructor using it connected to a TV and to a plotter.
For you young-uns...
