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What Nvidia GPU are you using?
What do you do with an old nvidia card that you can no longer get drivers for it?
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What Nvidia GPU are you using?
It's a GeForce GTX 1050.
CaffeineAddict
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I currently have GTX 1060, it's about a year old, before that I had GT 1030.
GT 1030 is still in good working order but I have no use of it, have only 1 desktop and laptops don't count, so it's collecting dust.
If I knew @MikeWalsh is buying a new GPU I could have send it to him, UK isn't that far from me, but it's too late.
GT 1030 is still in good working order but I have no use of it, have only 1 desktop and laptops don't count, so it's collecting dust.
If I knew @MikeWalsh is buying a new GPU I could have send it to him, UK isn't that far from me, but it's too late.
C'mon... it's not the 80's where a keyboard cost $300, and a 10 megabyte drive was nearly the price of a mortgage payment.Yeah. Which is fine for those of us with tons of spare cash floating around.....
Some of us aren't IN that fortunate position.
(shrug...)
Mike.
Whining over the cost of hardware? today? I bet most who do have no problem buying the latest Android or I phone.
CaffeineAddict
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Please note that some people are retired, meaning can't work for today's wages and are forced to live with pension that they get.
And pensions pretty much suck everywhere.
Beside that, inflation is snowballing for some 3 years already in many countries, no sight of better times and it will never be the same again.
This only shows that you have no empathy and come from a position of at least some privilege.
There are many, many people who can't even afford to spend $100 on a refurbished computer. These people are also in a position where they can't save any significant funds, because just living consumes all that they have.
It's similar to what's trivially affordable to me would require you to take out a loan or save for years. Except I have empathy and gratitude for the position I'm in. A large part of my position is just good luck and being in a position to take risks. Had I made other choices, I, too, could have been unable to afford modern computers.
In my signature, there's a link to some 'guidelines'. It'd do you well to read that. Yeah, it's long, but it's worth reading.
KGIII.
At 74 I'm retired, and in no way at the 2% level but like many others I have been compelled to upgrade from 32 bit architecture, and when possible I keep old iron, but at some point upgrades become inevitable.
I understand some have limited resources but expecting the rest of the world to be 100% backward compatible forever is complaining... if using complaining does not run afoul of guidelines?
Was using the term whining unacceptable? I did not think so but if it was, then Mea culpa.
Now talking empathy and privilege? Sheesh.
Thanks for the advice to read the guidelines which I previously did read. Consider me spanked.
At 74 I'm retired, and in no way at the 2% level but like many others I have been compelled to upgrade from 32 bit architecture, and when possible I keep old iron, but at some point upgrades become inevitable.
I understand some have limited resources but expecting the rest of the world to be 100% backward compatible forever is complaining... if using complaining does not run afoul of guidelines?
Was using the term whining unacceptable? I did not think so but if it was, then Mea culpa.
Now talking empathy and privilege? Sheesh.
Thanks for the advice to read the guidelines which I previously did read. Consider me spanked.
Not to beat a dead horse, but I did not see user APTI getting challenged for basically calling me a Luddite for the tinfoil hat reply to my LUKS inquiry.
No such a thing for me.
Which means that at any given time I can insert the older GPU into my PC and install the driver for it.
I have run into this many times as fedora updates obsolete older nvidia cards. In fact I just ran into it again last week on my server. Unfortunately what I do is gripe about it and mutter a bit. Then replace the card with something working and supported and I end up tossing the nvidia card in the special round filing cabinet in the kitchen.
I just do not find it an efficient use of my time to spend days trying to make it work only until another update kills it again. It drives me nuts (short trip) when that happens. I also have an android Mega 6.1 phone on android 4.4 kitkat that I would love to use but nothing will run on it any longer. more regrettable trash.
OP
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There is a term called Planned Obsolesce. In the computer world, it seems that companies are like, Ok we won't provide drivers anymore, go buy new hardware.
Linux makes it so that this doesn't happen so much. But nvidia is one of those companies that decides when the old card should be dead. If the drivers would of been open sourced, then someone in the Linux community could of taken over on this. I once listened to an interview with Greg Kroah-Hartman who does the Long Term Support Linux Kernel. This is a 5 year old interview, and I think this is the interview where Greg said, that if someone is using a really old computer they still support it.
One person I talked too, was really surprised that Arch was running on my 18 year old computer! I told them I am not surprised, based on Greg said about the Long Term Supported Linux Kernel.
As I said before I want to get newer machines, but I also am struggling to get a new job! I am currently unemployed. So I don't spend any money more than I must. Like I said earlier on in this discussion, there is also a principle with this too. People are often forced to throw away good hardware because the software can no longer run it, or it is not safe to run it. That is wasteful.
It's just like some of today's computer games. You buy the game, and then sometime down the road the game company decides they no longer want to support the game anymore, so they shut down the servers that you got your game from. Soon you realize that you really never truly owned that game. I kinda feel the same way about nvidia too. I bought the hardware, but nvidia still has control over the hardware because they still control the software required to make that hardware perform to it's full potential.
If in the future, I can avoid buying nvidia I will. For me the biggest trick is make sure that whenever I buy a newer computer that it will run Linux well. Even the computer I am typing this on right now, seems to have a little bug with Linux. It is a HP computer.
HP EliteDesk 800 G1 SFF
The bug is with the display port connected to my TV. When I tried to run the system on Debian, the audio is always bad from that port. When I ran it on PCLinuxOS it did good, and don't recall any problems. Currently I am running it on Linux Mint 22.3. The audio gets bad, and just by doing a reboot, the audio problem clears up and will run good for hours, and then for no apparent reason, the audio will go bad, and I just do a reboot, and it clears up again.
What is weird about that issue is, I am using onboard intel graphics and audio, and yet I still get that weird bug.
This post is not about trying to fix that bug. If we want to look closer at that bug, I will make a new post just about that.
Linux makes it so that this doesn't happen so much. But nvidia is one of those companies that decides when the old card should be dead. If the drivers would of been open sourced, then someone in the Linux community could of taken over on this. I once listened to an interview with Greg Kroah-Hartman who does the Long Term Support Linux Kernel. This is a 5 year old interview, and I think this is the interview where Greg said, that if someone is using a really old computer they still support it.
One person I talked too, was really surprised that Arch was running on my 18 year old computer! I told them I am not surprised, based on Greg said about the Long Term Supported Linux Kernel.
As I said before I want to get newer machines, but I also am struggling to get a new job! I am currently unemployed. So I don't spend any money more than I must. Like I said earlier on in this discussion, there is also a principle with this too. People are often forced to throw away good hardware because the software can no longer run it, or it is not safe to run it. That is wasteful.
It's just like some of today's computer games. You buy the game, and then sometime down the road the game company decides they no longer want to support the game anymore, so they shut down the servers that you got your game from. Soon you realize that you really never truly owned that game. I kinda feel the same way about nvidia too. I bought the hardware, but nvidia still has control over the hardware because they still control the software required to make that hardware perform to it's full potential.
If in the future, I can avoid buying nvidia I will. For me the biggest trick is make sure that whenever I buy a newer computer that it will run Linux well. Even the computer I am typing this on right now, seems to have a little bug with Linux. It is a HP computer.
HP EliteDesk 800 G1 SFF
Code:
CPU:
Info: quad core model: Intel Core i7-4790 bits: 64 type: MT MCP
arch: Haswell rev: 3 cache: L1: 256 KiB L2: 1024 KiB L3: 8 MiB
Speed (MHz): avg: 845 high: 1160 min/max: 800/4000 cores: 1: 800 2: 800
3: 800 4: 800 5: 800 6: 800 7: 800 8: 1160 bogomips: 57465
Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
Graphics:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
vendor: Hewlett-Packard EliteDesk 800 G1 driver: i915 v: kernel
arch: Gen-7.5 bus-ID: 00:02.0
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 21.1.11 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver: X:
loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915
resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz
API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: crocus,swrast platforms:
active: gbm,x11,surfaceless,device inactive: wayland
API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa
v: 25.2.8-0ubuntu0.24.04.1 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa
Intel HD Graphics 4600 (HSW GT2)
API: Vulkan v: 1.3.275 drivers: N/A surfaces: xcb,xlib devices: 2
Audio:
Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio
vendor: Hewlett-Packard EliteDesk 800 G1 driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
bus-ID: 00:03.0
Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio
vendor: Hewlett-Packard EliteDesk 800 G1 driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
bus-ID: 00:1b.0
API: ALSA v: k6.17.0-20-generic status: kernel-api
Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: activeThe bug is with the display port connected to my TV. When I tried to run the system on Debian, the audio is always bad from that port. When I ran it on PCLinuxOS it did good, and don't recall any problems. Currently I am running it on Linux Mint 22.3. The audio gets bad, and just by doing a reboot, the audio problem clears up and will run good for hours, and then for no apparent reason, the audio will go bad, and I just do a reboot, and it clears up again.
What is weird about that issue is, I am using onboard intel graphics and audio, and yet I still get that weird bug.
This post is not about trying to fix that bug. If we want to look closer at that bug, I will make a new post just about that.
Well if you want to go there, then let us.....Not to beat a dead horse, but I did not see user APTI getting challenged for basically calling me a Luddite for the tinfoil hat reply to my LUKS inquiry.
Are you really in such a position that you have to worry about people targeting you for specialized hacking? You sounded like you think everybody is out to get you. Sorry if you can't handle a little humor. If a mod wants to come down on me then so be it. Won't be the first time and I will just adjust myself. But I think you need to grow some skin. Being kidded is part of life. Being offended by everything and complaining is just a waste of valuable energy.
If what I say offends you, I am sure I will do it again so I suggest using the block feature instead of complaining.
PS... this does not belong in this thread.
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No such a thing for me.
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Which means that at any given time I can insert the older GPU into my PC and install the driver for it.
I don't understand what you are doing with this. I give you my best guess. You somehow collected up a bunch of old nvidia drivers and stashed them on a drive so that you can install them whenever you feel like it?
these video cards cost $300 to $400 at the moment and I have seen them in the recent past go to over $1000. Wish I had your money if you think that is not much.
Following Bleeding edge tech is costly no doubt, but that doesn't mean that discontinued but supported and available on the used market is not an option.
I got my supported AMD ATI Radeon 540 for $35, and while it likely doesn't support gamers it works and I'm sure there are others that do work that are not $300 to $1000.
Also the OP did not say what his purpose for a video card are for maybe that's a good place to start?
I got my supported AMD ATI Radeon 540 for $35, and while it likely doesn't support gamers it works and I'm sure there are others that do work that are not $300 to $1000.
Also the OP did not say what his purpose for a video card are for maybe that's a good place to start?
No I did not sound like everyone was out to get me and you know it. I asked a valid question and posting a silly graphic which leads to nothing but a negative interpretation was provocative if not childish.
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I would like it to still work for playing youtube videos and weather radar. The weather radar was hard for that machine because it could not load into the gpu, because I need the nvidia driver for that. Instead it had to use the cpu.
Thanks for the info.
If this helps, my ATI works fine with every weather radar site I know of as well as youtube. Real time weather is also an important feature for me being in south Florida.
As a matter of fact I have yet to find a site that does not work with the ATI card.
If this helps, my ATI works fine with every weather radar site I know of as well as youtube. Real time weather is also an important feature for me being in south Florida.
As a matter of fact I have yet to find a site that does not work with the ATI card.
Civility is the main point of all of those rules and guidelines. One can disagree while being civil.
The key here is empathy. We don't have to be Mr. Nice Guy. We just have to work on being civil. When you read (and respond) to a post, it's better to do so in its best light. Assume the best, not the worst.
And, no 'whataboustism' right now. I'm tired and have a headache.
You asked what do I do with an old GPU that I can't find drivers for it. And I told you that there's no such a thing as missing drivers on my computer. The two backup GPUs (1660 Ti and 1050 Ti) are in the wardrobe, the drivers are in my main storage (equivalent to the Windows' D:\ drive), so if, for whatever reason, I have to put either one back into the computer, it's a matter of about 2 minutes to have their driver up and runnin'.
I've always thought about the probable future and about "What if...", hence I keep the best driver versions for each video card, along with the GCC libs and the corresponding kernels that work with these drivers. Thus I'm prepared for any scenario.
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