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[KGIII]

I've seen it called running "XWayland"

Hmm... XWayland is an Xorg server running on top of Wayland, which is now a distinct thing separated from Xorg entirely. I believe those people may not be accurate.

It allows you to run X client stuff while using Wayland.

Again, that's my understanding. I'm still pretty new to this. To my old brain, it's a tad bit confusing.

It means learning new stuff, stuff that's more disparate. I've recovered from umpteen DE issues by running startx. That's no longer possible with Wayland. Hmm... I suppose I could alias it.

That's okay. I've been learning new stuff for my whole life. It's kind of funny how that works. We've had various iterations of the X server paradigm for the past 40 years. So, it'll take me a minute to get entirely up to speed, but I keep reading more about it.

 

[Grambelix]

LMF

L= Linux

M= Mint

F= Forum

Get tired of typing them there long piles of words so I used text shorthand I guess that's what it's called.

 

[The Duck]

Hmm... XWayland is an Xorg server running on top of Wayland, which is now a distinct thing separated from Xorg entirely. I believe those people may not be accurate.

It allows you to run X client stuff while using Wayland.

Again, that's my understanding. I'm still pretty new to this. To my old brain, it's a tad bit confusing.

It means learning new stuff, stuff that's more disparate. I've recovered from umpteen DE issues by running startx. That's no longer possible with Wayland. Hmm... I suppose I could alias it.

That's okay. I've been learning new stuff for my whole life. It's kind of funny how that works. We've had various iterations of the X server paradigm for the past 40 years. So, it'll take me a minute to get entirely up to speed, but I keep reading more about it.

  Display: wayland server: X.Org v: 23.2.6 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver:
    X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915
    resolution: 1024x768~75Hz

 

[The Duck]

I have Linux Mint 22.3 Zena installed.

I don't care for some things.

Seems it only boots in UEFI mode only not certain of this so may have to try installing in non UEFI mode.

I don't care for UEFI bios.

Doesn't seem to want to transfer files from a usb flash drive.

Can only move files from usb flash drive via copy and paste and I know that has to do with that UEFI secure boot crapola which I despise.

Anyway I'm willing to give Linux Mint 22.3 Zena a fair run and see how it is although ain't real impressed at the moment.

I will say that it does seem to run very well running WayLand.

I need to remove a lot of the default bloat unneeded unnecessary default software I'll never need or ever use.

If I don't use it or want it than I don't need it taking up space on my HDD.

Proof of installation.

Spoiler

linuxmint@linuxmint:~$ inxi -Fxz
System:
  Kernel: 6.14.0-37-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 13.3.0
  Desktop: Cinnamon v: 6.6.5 Distro: Linux Mint 22.3 Zena
    base: Ubuntu 24.04 noble
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: Hewlett-Packard product: 700-414 v: 1.00
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: Hewlett-Packard model: 2AF7 v: 1.04 serial: <superuser required>
    UEFI: AMI v: 80.20 date: 10/31/2014
CPU:
  Info: quad core model: Intel Core i5-4570 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Haswell
    rev: 3 cache: L1: 256 KiB L2: 1024 KiB L3: 6 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 799 high: 800 min/max: 800/3600 cores: 1: 798 2: 800
    3: 800 4: 800 bogomips: 25542
  Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7.5 bus-ID: 00:02.0
  Display: wayland server: X.Org v: 23.2.6 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver:
    X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915
    resolution: 1024x768~75Hz
  API: EGL v: 1.5 drivers: crocus,swrast platforms:
    active: gbm,wayland,x11,surfaceless,device inactive: N/A
  API: OpenGL v: 4.6 compat-v: 4.5 vendor: intel mesa
    v: 25.0.7-0ubuntu0.24.04.2 glx-v: 1.4 direct-render: yes renderer: Mesa
    Intel HD Graphics 4600 (HSW GT2)
  API: Vulkan v: 1.3.275 drivers: N/A surfaces: xcb,xlib,wayland devices: 2
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard 8 driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
  API: ALSA v: k6.14.0-37-generic status: kernel-api
  Server-1: PipeWire v: 1.0.5 status: active
Network:
  Device-1: Broadcom BCM43142 802.11b/g/n vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: N/A
    bus-ID: 02:00.0
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8211/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
    vendor: Hewlett-Packard RTL8111/8168/8411 driver: r8169 v: kernel port: e000
    bus-ID: 03:00.0
  IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Device-1: Broadcom BCM43142A0 Bluetooth Device driver: btusb v: 0.8
    type: USB bus-ID: 1-11:5
  Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: down
    bt-service: enabled,running rfk-block: hardware: no software: yes
    address: <filter>
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 372.61 GiB used: 10.15 GiB (2.7%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Hitachi model: HDT725040VLA360 size: 372.61 GiB
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 365.2 GiB used: 10.14 GiB (2.8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3
  ID-2: /boot/efi size: 512 MiB used: 6.1 MiB (1.2%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sda2
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 2 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) file: /swapfile
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 25.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (rpm): N/A
Info:
  Memory: total: 12 GiB available: 11.59 GiB used: 1.73 GiB (15.0%)
  Processes: 223 Uptime: 7m Init: systemd target: graphical (5)
  Packages: 1988 Compilers: gcc: 13.3.0 Shell: Bash v: 5.2.21 inxi: 3.3.34
linuxmint@linuxmint:~$

 

[KGIII]

  Display: wayland server: X.Org v: 23.2.6 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.6 driver:
    X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915
    resolution: 1024x768~75Hz

Thanks! That helps me understand it and I'm now reasonably sure I have it understood.

If I understand that correctly, you're using Wayland. You also have Xorg v 23.x installed, with Xwayland, meaning your X11 stuff will run. That means it's not a pure Wayland system and that it still supports the X11 stuff.

Note the first line where it says 'with'. You're running it with Xwayland.

It's my further understanding that this is more of a transition thing where, ideally, the rest of the software (that is the software that requires the X Window stuff) is rewritten in a way that's directly compatible with Wayland.

The Xwayland bit might be best described as a compatability layer.

Oh, nice! Your comment made me double check and my description isn't unique. Here's a link:

https://www.tenable.com/audits/items/CIS_Ubuntu_Linux_22.04_LTS_v3.0.0_L2_Server.audit:0ce6937cd0a8b92a6f571e2151f6dc0d

LOL My search term was right there at the top of the page.

Xwayland is a compatibility layer that allows legacy X11 applications to run within a Wayland environment. It's effectively an X server that runs as a Wayland client, enabling existing X11 software to be displayed on a Wayland compositor.

I think it's going to take time for us old folks to adapt, even though Wayland is now pretty old. The Wayland protocol was first introduced in 2008. That's a long time ago.

But, thanks for the code snippet. I can now safely conclude that my understanding is correct.

 

[The Duck]

@KGIII

I don't think anyone is completely 100% WayLand as the software I believe has to be updated for WayLand.

I've run WayLand when I was using any Gnome DE.

It has for the most run a-okay on most of my desktops.

Yeah the more I try to understand some of these things the more I think I become confused.

Anyway like you say always learning something new.

I know that eventually I'll probably only be able to use UEFI but when I can I'm not going to.

I'm bullheaded and set in my ways although eventually cave in and go with the new ways as much as i hate new change.

 

[KGIII]

I don't think anyone is completely 100% WayLand as the software I believe has to be updated for WayLand.

I suspect you're right. There remains a lot of software that is set to run on X11.

I know that eventually I'll probably only be able to use UEFI but when I can I'm not going to.

I suspect that's an eventuality, as you indicate. Though it'd cut off a bunch of x86_64 computers. I suspect that there would be a few distros that maintained support, at least for a while. Then, there are the distros meant to be used live. They may not care if you have UEFI or not.

 

[The Duck]

Hmm I find it odd that I can't move any folders from any where.

The only way I can move folders is to copy and paste.

I'm thinking there is a permissions problem.

 

[The Duck]

Hmm I find it odd that I can't move any folders from any where.

The only way I can move folders is to copy and paste.

I'm thinking there is a permissions problem.

A-Ha I solved the file transfer problem.

I decided to switch back to X11 and that solved the file transfer problem.

So it appears WayLand ain't quite ready for Linux Mint 22.3 Zena leastwise not on my computer.

Guess that's why it's called WayLand Experimental in Linux Mint 22.3 Zena.

What a bummer.

Well a least I know.

 

[The Duck]

Update.

Okay I've give both Linux Mint 22.3 Zena and LMDE 7 GIGI and like both of them both work very well.

LMDE 7 GIGI is my choice to use as another daily driver guess because Debian is what I cut my Linux teeth on.

Neither of them are ready for WayLand which I now completely understand why it's referred to as WayLand Experimental.

For the most WayLand works although does for no reason drop to a black screen which requires a restart.

WayLand in Ubuntu seems to work without problems so perhaps the Linux Mint Devs with get the bus squished for the next major release.

I've never been a big Cinnamon desktop fan although I will say that both of these Linux distros are and excellent choice for any Linux user.

Just my few bits and pieces.

Enjoy your Linux adventure.