Troubles with stability on Linux

[Kaius]

I've been trying out many linux distro's on my pc and a lot of them have been a bit unstable on my pc. So then i decided to install Debian due to it being stable, but it's still unstable. The package manager store which is called "discover" on Debian is unstable (The package manager stores on other distro's are also unstable) and sometimes i can't even reopen the settings app on Debian which results in me having to restart my pc. i've also had another really annoying problem on another distro called "manjaro" where the dolphin emu wouldn't even start games, and another problem where steam after a little bit just stopped connecting to valves server making it impossible for me to log back into the client.
I don't know if its just my computer or its just linux.

My computer: HP EliteDesk 800 G1 Ultra-slim Desktop Business PC

My specs:
Intel Core i5 4570s
Intel HD Graphics 4600
8gb ram
240gb crucial ssd

I just want to know if it's a problem with my computer or if it's just linux is.

 

[z7vl7abxc]

those specs are pretty close to one of my systems and it hasn't been unstable after running a few different distros for years. have you checked the hard drive and ram to try and rule those out as possible causes?

 

[Kaius]

those specs are pretty close to one of my systems and it hasn't been unstable after running a few different distros for years. have you checked the hard drive and ram to try and rule those out as possible causes?

I just bought a new ssd for that system. But no i haven't checked the ram.

 

[Kaius]

those specs are pretty close to one of my systems and it hasn't been unstable after running a few different distros for years. have you checked the hard drive and ram to try and rule those out as possible causes?

I might see if theres a way to diagnose the ram in the linux terminal and then i'll tell you how it went.

 

[Condobloke]

Can you define what you mean by 'unstable' ..?....is there any possibility any of iot is browser related?

Are you getting any "outs' in your internet connection ?

Are these OS's installed in the usual fashion?......did you allow the installers to simply do their thing, unfettered ?....no extra security precautions taken?....encryption ?

 

[Kaius]

Can you define what you mean by 'unstable' ..?....is there any possibility any of iot is browser related?

Are you getting any "outs' in your internet connection ?

Are these OS's installed in the usual fashion?......did you allow the installers to simply do their thing, unfettered ?....no extra security precautions taken?....encryption ?

So i have had internet issues on kubuntu before because i've tried it out before on that pc, and the internet just kept having an error with automatically connecting after i restarted my pc, which resulted with me having to manually replug the usb wifi adapter back into the computer (this only happened on kubuntu) and then i could reconnect.

And yes i have installed linux on my computer correctly. No extra security of any sort was installed. And yes i let the os installer do everything as normal.

No it is not browser related, in fact browsers run really well on my pc with linux.

What i mean by instability is mostly like with apps crashing such as steam, settings and package stores such as discover. its just not the smooth experience i use to get on windows, you know?

 

[Kaius]

those specs are pretty close to one of my systems and it hasn't been unstable after running a few different distros for years. have you checked the hard drive and ram to try and rule those out as possible causes?

So my ram is fine i just ran a test on it.

 

[Brickwizard]

Welcome to the forums,
your Elite SFF desktop is basically the same as my ProDesk SFF and the same age, main difference I have the 3gb CPU, you have the 2,9gb. And I upgraded from the traditional HDD to an M2Nvme SSD 7 months ago.
Both these machines are built for reliability in the business world, as a general use machine they are usually perfectly fine, unless you have space to fit a dedicated graphics card, the onboard GPU are not any good for anything more than basic light gaming, and cannot cope with Higher definition gaming, high definition photo rendering, and the like.
Mine has been running 14 hrs a day for the last 3 years without any problems., I used to run Mint [Ubuntu based] but now I run Mint LMDE5 [Debian base]

 

[camtaf]

Well, I can tell you it isn't Linux, I've been running it as my full time O/S since 1999.

As suggested above, it's likely expecting too much of your graphics system.

 

[kc1di]

It would be helpful if you could boot to Linux install inxi if it's not already installed and issue this command posting the output here.

inxi -Fxxxzr

that way we can see the actual make up of your machine. and if the correct drivers are installed.
I as other suspect it may be your graphics card.
But the specs you listed are pretty standard.
Also you mentioned Kubuntu - which version and what other Distros have you tried?

 

[Kaius]

It would be helpful if you could boot to Linux install inxi if it's not already installed and issue this command posting the output here.

inxi -Fxxxzr

that way we can see the actual make up of your machine. and if the correct drivers are installed.
I as other suspect it may be your graphics card.
But the specs you listed are pretty standard.
Also you mentioned Kubuntu - which version and what other Distros have you tried?

I have also tried manjaro, ubuntu, debian and mint. Yeah and also i'll input the command, i'll get back to you after i finish.

 

[Kaius]

It would be helpful if you could boot to Linux install inxi if it's not already installed and issue this command posting the output here.

inxi -Fxxxzr

that way we can see the actual make up of your machine. and if the correct drivers are installed.
I as other suspect it may be your graphics card.
But the specs you listed are pretty standard.
Also you mentioned Kubuntu - which version and what other Distros have you tried?

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[kc1di]

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[Brickwizard]

But the specs you listed are pretty standard.

Kc. As I said its internals are basically the same as mine, apart from the CPU, which runs any distribution I choose flawlessly [sound was a pig to set up]
Steam needs a decent GPU, and the onboard one is not good enough for anything apart from basic gaming.
@Kaius you state 8GB ram, that machine would normally come as stock with 4GB, did you upgrade it yourself by adding a stick. ? If so did you match the ram correctly, [these machines usually have low voltage ram, although they will work with normal voltage ram, you can't mix them they must both be the same voltage, [they will both be recognised, by the machine but unstable]

 

[Kaius]

Please put the output in code tags so it's easier to read.

I hope it's better now. I just edited it.

 

[Kaius]

Kc. As I said its internals are basically the same as mine, apart from the CPU, which runs any distribution I choose flawlessly [sound was a pig to set up]
Steam needs a decent GPU, and the onboard one is not good enough for anything apart from basic gaming.
@Kaius you state 8GB ram, that machine would normally come as stock with 4GB, did you upgrade it yourself by adding a stick. ? If so did you match the ram correctly, [these machines usually have low voltage ram, although they will work with normal voltage ram, you can't mix them they must both be the same voltage, [they will both be recognised, by the machine but unstable]

I don't know about the ram because i bought it refurbished. I was planning on buying new ram sticks anyway so if thats the problem i can fix it. Although i did diagnose the ram and it was ok, (the diagnose tool) I don't know if it will pick up anything like the different voltage... but yeah.

 

[Brickwizard]

I don't know about the ram because i bought it refurbished

In that case you should be OK, a decent supplier will use matched ram [x2] or a single stick.

I still think you are probably asking too much of the GPU.

 

[Kaius]

Actually, i'm just going to wait until i can afford brand a new pc. I'll leave this pc.

 

[Brickwizard]

wait until i can afford brand a new pc.

just be aware, If you buy a brand new, cutting edge computer, you may have driver problems with Linux, once a new component comes out it can take up to a year before Linux drivers can be back engineered..

 

[Kaius]

just be aware, If you buy a brand new, cutting edge computer, you may have driver problems with Linux, once a new component comes out it can take up to a year before Linux drivers can be back engineered..

Alright, thank you. I'll keep that in mind.