Today Aug 9th is Debian 13 release day.
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CaffeineAddict
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Yeah but where? they're still offering 12
It's 9th of August but they still offer Bookworm.
It's 9th of August but they still offer Bookworm.
blizzardfromoz
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"It’s release day for Debian 13 “trixie”! Across the world, the release, publicity, images, and FTP teams are making their final preparations for the new stable release. #debian #debian13 #trixie #ReleasingDebianTrixie"
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CaffeineAddict
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Their release is fake just like your username lol
They had 2 years to prepare for release day and failed since they still do not offer Trixie.
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[Micronews] Before upgrading or installing Debian 13 "trixie", read the Release Notes, they're packed with guidance
Before upgrading or installing Debian 13 "trixie", read the Release Notes, they're packed with guidance to ensure everything goes smoothly. https://www.debian.org/releases/trixie/release-notes/index.en.html #debian #debian13 #trixie #ReleasingDebianTrixieSource: https://micronews.debian.org/2025/1754749504.html
blizzardfromoz
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...and its package list still includes Timeshift, so I will be using it.
Thanks as always, Dave, for sharing.
Thanks as always, Dave, for sharing.
.......and just like that, 32-bit is officially "dead". With Debian dropping it, all the countless spins & re-masters will soon follow suit. And those few developers still building for i386/i686 will very soon quit, because the last of the 'mainstream' support for 32-bit has now folded.
It's always been a matter of time, but that time has suddenly moved much, MUCH closer.
Mike.
It's always been a matter of time, but that time has suddenly moved much, MUCH closer.
Mike.
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I'm surprised it hasn't come sooner.
My assumption is that the very last supported 32-bit browser will be the current 140esr build of Firefox. Mozilla will most likely support it for its life span.....and that will then be your lot. THE END. Hasta la vista, baby (as Arnold would say).....been nice knowin' ya!
Except THIS time, he WON'T "be back".
Of course, 32-bit browsers will continue to work. Some may be able to prolong that lifespan by updating the ca-certs bundle.....but that will be, at best, nowt but a "tourniquet". Slowly but surely, the lifeblood will drain away, fewer and fewer sites will be accessible.....and eventually, 32-bit browsers will be unusable on the modern web.
I also have a 32-bit "chroot" set-up like this, employing the contents of the SFS package 'manually' transplanted in.....for older 32-bit Puppies - like my all-time 'fave', Slacko 5.6.0 - which can't run the package natively. And IT works, too!
Crazy stuff.....but that's Puppians for ya. Always pushing the boundaries of what's possible!
Mike.
Except THIS time, he WON'T "be back".
Of course, 32-bit browsers will continue to work. Some may be able to prolong that lifespan by updating the ca-certs bundle.....but that will be, at best, nowt but a "tourniquet". Slowly but surely, the lifeblood will drain away, fewer and fewer sites will be accessible.....and eventually, 32-bit browsers will be unusable on the modern web.
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'Puppians' will be OK for a while longer. One of our senior devs - Peter Bottomley, better-known as "peebee" to the Puppy community - has produced a specially-crafted SFS package for 32-bit Puppies. IF you're running a 64-bit capable machine - but just prefer 32-bit Puppies! - this package will, with the addition of a 64-bit kernel, allow you to run 64-bit browsers inside an otherwise bog-standard 32-bit distro. And the best bit about it? It WORKS.
I also have a 32-bit "chroot" set-up like this, employing the contents of the SFS package 'manually' transplanted in.....for older 32-bit Puppies - like my all-time 'fave', Slacko 5.6.0 - which can't run the package natively. And IT works, too!
Crazy stuff.....but that's Puppians for ya. Always pushing the boundaries of what's possible!
Mike.
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For better or worse, 32 bit computers have mostly outlived their lifespan. They're still out there, powering everything from subway systems to nuclear power plants, or even your nearest ATM. The 32 bit systems served us well and for a fairly long time. We should be good for a while. At present, there's no real need for anything higher than 64 bits for personal computers. 64 bits is plenty for our current needs and well into the future.
So, we have that going for us.
It wasn't that long ago that a computer was nearing obsolescence pretty much when you bought it. We were on a constant path of upgrades as computational efficiency increased by leaps and bounds. Today, you can use a computer purchased a decade ago. Imagine trying that in 1985, 1995, or 2005!
Moore's Law is dead and has been dead for years - some say more than a decade and a half. Though, it may still be fairly accurate for other processors, like those found in GPUs or maybe in the ARM space.
Sadly, unless retro computing is a hobby, so much of that stuff is now just e-waste. We've reached the point where we can recycle quite a bit of it, but so much of it just ends up on the shores of less-developed nations. If you are getting rid of e-waste, please check to ensure the people who say they'll recycle it are actually going to recycle it.
And, no... Neither Goodwill nor the Salvation Army want your clapped out PC from 2005. If it's interesting hardware, some local enthusiast might be interested in adding it to their horde.
So, we have that going for us.
It wasn't that long ago that a computer was nearing obsolescence pretty much when you bought it. We were on a constant path of upgrades as computational efficiency increased by leaps and bounds. Today, you can use a computer purchased a decade ago. Imagine trying that in 1985, 1995, or 2005!
Moore's Law is dead and has been dead for years - some say more than a decade and a half. Though, it may still be fairly accurate for other processors, like those found in GPUs or maybe in the ARM space.
Sadly, unless retro computing is a hobby, so much of that stuff is now just e-waste. We've reached the point where we can recycle quite a bit of it, but so much of it just ends up on the shores of less-developed nations. If you are getting rid of e-waste, please check to ensure the people who say they'll recycle it are actually going to recycle it.
And, no... Neither Goodwill nor the Salvation Army want your clapped out PC from 2005. If it's interesting hardware, some local enthusiast might be interested in adding it to their horde.
Terminal Velocity
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After a 4 to 5 years run on Debian 11 I decided to buy a new laptop just to install Trixie. Expect a thread with candidate machines for Trixie. This old laptop will remain Debian 11 until the software outlive the hardware.
I'm thinking of Lenovo like this old laptop, I'm very satisfied with it, except that I never had a web camera, no drivers for it in the Linux world
I'm thinking of Lenovo like this old laptop, I'm very satisfied with it, except that I never had a web camera, no drivers for it in the Linux world
CaffeineAddict
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Hello from Trixie!
Switching virtual desktops in KDE 6 feels like playing AAA game with insufficient hardware requirements, it's sluggish.
Switching virtual desktops in KDE 6 feels like playing AAA game with insufficient hardware requirements, it's sluggish.
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Terminal Velocity
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Cinnamon is available in Trixie installers! What are you doing in KDE???
CaffeineAddict
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No thanks, I'm KDE fan
I wasn't sure if that username was meant as a joke or it's an account waiting for its zero-day Vietnamese gambling site / AI-powered investment app posts, lol. Time will tell.
100%!!! It's a major problem. They ship e-waste as "pre-owned" goods to circumvent relevant laws and then line a few pockets to keep it hush on the dumps which span miles.
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Back on topic... I've been amped for a while but reading the release notes got me a tad concerned about 32bit projects with inline ASM (PCSX2 team said they wouldn't support 64bit years back but luckily that's changed -- upstream at least, IDK what's in the Debian repos as I been using Appimages). Other thing is a tmpfs for /tmp doesn't appeal to me. I like to manage my own memory and I use up to 12 GB on VMs, leaving my host ~4GB. With an NVMe drive, my /tmp partition is happy/snappy and fine. NVMe SSDs are crazy fast. So edit fstab will be added to my post-install checklist. Also like to maintain my own tmp partition cleanups as I use /tmp to save lots of temp docs too (loooong story). Then there's more systemd creep with cryptsetup... But being objective, I'm just afraid of change; I only just got used to Pulseaudio (am still in alsa mixer mindset), so PipeWire/WirePlumber is gonna be a big step. Still, I survived the change to systemd, so I guess you gotta move with the times. Bob Dylan summed it up, "for the times, they are a changin'"That said, the one thing I look forward to most about Debian 13 is using The Great and Powerful Trixie (i.e. the pony, not the Toy Story character) as a desktop mascot, lol.
It irritates me to no end.
99% of us (on this site - and a made-up number) are likely in a developed nation. We do have exceptions. They're few and far between, but (thankfully) we do have exceptions.
If you're in a developed nation, please make sure to recycle your e-waste appropriately. This is even more true with cellphones these days.
As an aside, we've had some people from more strict regimes, and not developed nations, who have posted and then disappeared. I sometimes wonder about them, but I don't want to go too far off topic.
Back on-topic...
For now, 32 bit computers can still be used. I don't recommend it. Your electrical bill will not recommend it. It costs you a great deal more to perform the same amount of work you'd do with a modern processor. I did some math a while back and, using just my electricity costs - which are not great - it could pay for a more modern refurbished computer in just about 18 months.
So, think carefully... Though, if you need a nice footwarmer, look no further than a P4!
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