The SOAS (Sugar) Desktop Review

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I'm never sure what to expect when I try a new desktop. I don't know what I was expecting when I started this VM, but it wasn't what I was expecting. It starts off asking some questions.

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I suppose this symbol represents you as the user. You can change what color your avatar is. Your name first, and then your age group. I nevr had an OS care about how old I was before, but it starts to make sense as you start using this desktop.

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I selected "Adult" as I feel like I qualify most days.

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Once you answer all the questions, it starts off with this circular menu. I could guess at what some of the icons were, but I didn't know what all of them were.

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Hovering over an icon will give some information about what it is. I was lucky, I correctly guess that icon was for the internet browser.

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I am told this is a re-skinned version of firefox. All of the buttons, and the mouse cursor itself are almost cartoonishly large. I was beginning to understand why my age was important. This desktop could be handy for smaller children, also perhaps for the elderly (like myself somedays) who have bad eye sight. You might notice there is no "close" X up in the top right corner. You click on the white donut, and then click on "Stop" to close an application.

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Everything seems to work OK, but it take a little getting used to. Like Gnome, SOAS (Sugar) will only let you have one application open at a time. It's always in full-screen mode and you can't move ot resize windows. You can't have two applications on the screen at the same time.

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There is a search function at the top of the screen, but it wasn't very intuitive to me. I first tried "software" and it found nothing, I then tried "terminal" and it brought up a command line console.

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It's interesting that the console/terminal doesn't show up as an icon on the main screen. I suppose they don't want younger children or us elderly folks typing in any commands that might get us into trouble.

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I did click on some of the other icons. This is simply called... (you guessed it) "clock". Again, it takes up the entire screen and looks a little cartoonish for my taste, but hey you can definitely see what time it is. The icon that looks like a par of lips, is a speaking option. It's speaks the current time to you in an audible voice.

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It took me a little bit to find it, but I was wondering where the "shutdown" and "restart" option were. I didn't expect the "settings" to be here.

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That brings up this screen. I was surprised to see modem settings here. I suppose there are people who still use dial-up. In a way it makes sense to have this pre-installed. This is also where you do software updates, and configure your network.

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The software updates are fairly simple and straight-forward, but I didn't see any option to install a specific package. I know I could do this from the command line, but I guess I was expecting a way to do it from the GUI.

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The network settings were also fairly basic and simplistic. I'm guessing the main audience is someone who is not familiar with networking as a whole.

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If you don't like the circular menu, there is an option to show the applications as a list. I did notice that the terminal/console application shows up when you are in "list mode".

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This program is simply called "Physics", I didn't do much with it, but it comes across as a simplistic drawing program with pre-defined shape objects, maybe someone who is more familiar with it can give me lessons on how to use it.

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There is also a simplistic text editor, I won't really call it a word processor. One nice feature is the text to speech function that will read your text back to you. I actually find that helps me sometimes as my grammar checker doesn't always find missing words.

I suspect you can install any programs you want to, but I was running this from a "Live" iso, so it wasn't actually installed to a VM, therefore I didn't install anything that wasn't included in the base image.

All in all, everything works, I didn't encounter any problems at all, most of the errors were user errors with the guy sitting at the keyboard (me). But it does have a bit of a learning curse, and it does take a little getting used to. I personally would recommand this for two groups of people. Either the very young, say children six and under, or else the elderly person who isn't really computer savvy, and maybe has bad eye-sight.

Let me know what you think.
 
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It looks like one of those distros aimed at people who aren't all that familiar with a computer. They try to make things simple for the end user, and that doesn't go over all that well (more often than not).

There's not a lot to configure. They set it up in a way they think is intuitive - or easily learned and adapted to. If you want to look behind the curtain, it's not all that easily done.

If you're truly bored, there's Endless OS which is also meant to be used by kids (and old people, but mostly kids).

I do not believe you've reviewed it.
 
reskinning the icons seems like such a bad idea. someone would get used to the ones for a specific age group, then when introduced to an actual browser, they'd be lost.
 
Something has been gnawing at my brain and I finally remembered!

Sugar is the DE that was on those OLPC laptops!

Back in the day, there was a goal to get one laptop in the hands of every child. This was the OLPC program and they're still around but focused on some other project now. These were ruggedized/simplified laptops that could do a few weird tricks, including making their own mesh network.

The laptops were pretty lackluster but there was a program where you could buy one and give one, so you'd get one of the laptops and they'd give another one to some deserving person in a more needy environment. The goal was sub-$100 but that didn't work. It had quite a bit of buy-in and donations behind it. The goal was for something completely opensource but I think they failed in doing so, still requiring some binary blobs.

But, yeah! That's what those screenshots reminded me of. I'm just now remembering and I tried to remember this earlier on. It just finally popped and now I remember it.
Anyhow, the OLPC program did see quite a few computers donated. They had innovative ways to charge them and were very low-powered devices.

I dug up a link, as many folks may not recall this or weren't even Linux fans back in that era.


I'm not sure why I finally remembered this. I'd forgotten that I was trying to remember it!
 
Something has been gnawing at my brain and I finally remembered!

Sugar is the DE that was on those OLPC laptops!

Back in the day, there was a goal to get one laptop in the hands of every child. This was the OLPC program and they're still around but focused on some other project now. These were ruggedized/simplified laptops that could do a few weird tricks, including making their own mesh network.

The laptops were pretty lackluster but there was a program where you could buy one and give one, so you'd get one of the laptops and they'd give another one to some deserving person in a more needy environment. The goal was sub-$100 but that didn't work. It had quite a bit of buy-in and donations behind it. The goal was for something completely opensource but I think they failed in doing so, still requiring some binary blobs.

action retro had a recent video where he tried to get arch on one of those. lol
 
action retro had a recent video where he tried to get arch on one of those. lol

I think I recognize that channel name but I don't think I've seen said video. I'll have to look it up to watch it. I don't imagine they're going to be much good these days. Maybe I saw a thumbnail and that was what reminded me? Buggered if I know. I do know that I tried remembering what Sugar was to the point that I looked for it at Google but only found the modern stuff. I didn't dig deep.

Then, it hit me. We discussed this heavily on Slashdot and HN back in the day. I almost did the 'buy one get one' but I didn't need an underpowered device and I'd much rather direct my donations elsewhere. The type of people this was aimed at would be better helped with things like healthy food and clean water, in my views. I'm also a huge fan of Heifer International, which would likely be more suitable in those environments.

The good news? Well, it's all this time later and you can now have a Chromebook for that same amount of money. If you adjust for inflation, you can have even better devices. Tablets would also be available in those price ranges. Are they perfect? Nope. They're still more likely to get used for education than a laptop that's now going on 20 years old.

I'll have to see if I can find that video. If there's a distro that's going to work on it, Arch is a good candidate. But, it may not be 'old' enough. That's going to have some old and specialized hardware that a modern distro may not support. But, Arch seems like a reasonable spot to start. (I might have dug through Archive.org to see if I could find a distro from about that time, but I'm not in the business of making YouTube videos.)

If you have said video in your history, that'd save some time. It might even be fitting for the thread I made about old computers. I checked and the OLPC thing was starting in 2005. Man, time flies...
 
I think I recognize that channel name but I don't think I've seen said video. I'll have to look it up to watch it. I don't imagine they're going to be much good these days. Maybe I saw a thumbnail and that was what reminded me? Buggered if I know. I do know that I tried remembering what Sugar was to the point that I looked for it at Google but only found the modern stuff. I didn't dig deep.

Then, it hit me. We discussed this heavily on Slashdot and HN back in the day. I almost did the 'buy one get one' but I didn't need an underpowered device and I'd much rather direct my donations elsewhere. The type of people this was aimed at would be better helped with things like healthy food and clean water, in my views. I'm also a huge fan of Heifer International, which would likely be more suitable in those environments.

The good news? Well, it's all this time later and you can now have a Chromebook for that same amount of money. If you adjust for inflation, you can have even better devices. Tablets would also be available in those price ranges. Are they perfect? Nope. They're still more likely to get used for education than a laptop that's now going on 20 years old.

I'll have to see if I can find that video. If there's a distro that's going to work on it, Arch is a good candidate. But, it may not be 'old' enough. That's going to have some old and specialized hardware that a modern distro may not support. But, Arch seems like a reasonable spot to start. (I might have dug through Archive.org to see if I could find a distro from about that time, but I'm not in the business of making YouTube videos.)

If you have said video in your history, that'd save some time. It might even be fitting for the thread I made about old computers. I checked and the OLPC thing was starting in 2005. Man, time flies...

sure, here ya go -
 
sure, here ya go -

It's a pretty solid rainstorm right now. So, I'm a bit bandwidth-constrained, but I did watch most of it.

Thanks!

I'm not surprised by the result and I'm not sure how much I agree with that being a victory, but it's all in good fun.
 


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