Sometimes, it's hard to suspend belief...

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I had a friend over yesterday. We have a lot in common, including our academic goals.

We had another round of a conversation we've touched on in the past. It boils down to how hard it is to suspend belief. The more you understand about the world around you, the harder it is to enjoy works of fiction. For example, in the fiction realm, I prefer what's known as 'hard science fiction'. There isn't much of it these days, at least that interests me. But 'hard science fiction' is fiction that's strenuously working to preserve scientific accuracy. (Think some of Clarke, Niven, or Asimov material.)

The example I'll use in this post will be movies/television silliness.

A fun one is when you see an object catch up with another object on the same orbital plane. That just can't happen. If you're on the same orbit and speed up, you'll move further away from the gravity well. If you slow down, you'll move closer to the gravity well.

As much as it makes for great cinema, you don't go flying backwards when you're shot with a shotgun.

Along those same lines, if you're involved in an explosion that slams you against the wall, you're probably known as 'walking dead' (if it didn't kill you outright). For forces that strong, it'd have crushed your internal organs (the squishy bits), and you'd have very little time left before you collapsed and died. You'd be likely to die even with immediate medical attention.

Oh, if you're shot with pretty much any firearm, you're probably out of the fight. You don't get shot in the shoulder, wrap it up with a torn-off shirt sleeve, only to go on fighting for three more days. While there are 'through and through' and 'flesh wounds', they still suck and will limit what you're able to do for the near future. Yes, some examples do exist, but they're the exception and not the rule.

No, cars don't explode on a regular basis. They don't even normally explode when dropped from high places. There's a town in Alaska that celebrates by sending cars off a cliff. They are running when they do so. None of those cars explodes or even catches on fire.

Also, bombs don't tend to whistle. Along those same lines, planes don't make a high-pitched scream while diving. That was done by the Germans during WWII. And that's about it. It was a siren on a Stuka and was used to instill fear in the ground troops.

Serial killers aren't normally geniuses. They're impulsive and lack forensic sophistication. Those that don't get caught quickly aren't doing anything exceptional; they're just lucky -- while there's also a bias against some of the victims that may lead to police incompetence. The person who kills the pretty high school girls gets caught quickly, while the person who preys on the marginalized people gets away with it longer. (There are, of course, exceptions.)

Oh, man... Fighting... I don't want to add bravado to this, so I'll simply point out boxers. Boxers fight one opponent for three minutes at a time. They're often in peak physical condition, with heavy training for long periods of time before a bout. The accountant next door is not, in fact, going to fight off five people over a fifteen-minute span. On top of that, the injuries sustained by the fighting parties would have put them out of the fight at the start of it. If you get kicked in the jaw, you're eating protein shakes for the next three months. If that same kick was in the kidney, you're going to pee blood for a month.

(See 'professional' wrestling for examples. If they weren't highly trained athletes who were carefully choreographed, they'd snap a neck the first time they had a 'pile driver'.)

No... There has never been an untrained pilot who managed to successfully land a large commercial plane. It has happened with small planes, but those are actually quite simple to operate. I can (and have) landed a small plane. (I know a handful of pilots. Private plane ownership is fairly common here.)

I could go on... Should we get started on computers in movies and television? There are a few scenes of people typing on the same keyboard at the same time. That's just plain silliness. Also, if your computer 'goes rogue', just unplug it.

Heck, I could go on for quite a while.

The key point is that it's just so darned hard to suspend disbelief. At the end of the day, I end up preferring movies with some action in them. If I'm to suspend belief, I like it to be simple. That doesn't mean they're all technically 'action' movies, just that they're quickly moving on to the next thing and that the plot is simple to keep up with. Oddly enough, there are a lot of 'Western' movies that fit that description.

What do you find difficult to watch/read?
 


What do you find difficult to watch/read?
Most of everything, lately. Newer the show, dumber and more disconnected from reality it is.
Most if not all modern Western productions, especially out of Hollywood, carry heavy signalling and lifestyle suggestions, to put it mildly. I refuse to watch it.

Good post by the way! I agree with your observations.
 
What do you find difficult to watch/read?
The fact of what my pop' tells me what society was like, and looking at today's landscape.
Someone, just give me a quadra Jet! ( A multi-carb setup would be just fine)
Back in the days when I probably would have had a 10 year old Olds 442, And a wrench instaid of a Mac.

I mean, I like tech, but it's everywhere. Some days, I just wish Star Trek was real so I can just say, Mr. Scott, Beam me up, and punch it at warp 9 to a place where it's peace.

It's hard to watch how society is being assimilated like how the Borg tried to do in ST: First contact.
 
carry heavy signalling and lifestyle suggestions,

Anything with excessive ideological preaching is a cringe-worthy watch to me.

I hope you're the exceptions, but it is my observation that the people who make said complaints are only against it when it's an ideology they don't support. To that end, I'd likely also be guilty. An example would be a taboo subject here on this site. I'll simply state that I don't want proselytism in my entertainment.
 
The automotive hobby is a great one to be involved in, though I'm heavily biased.
sadly, too expensive for us in the most part. It'll probably take over 10 grand just to get me Grandmother's Olds running right again (With some butler goodies- if we can even find a 403 in the first place!).
All modern cars (from Experience) We don't like. 2008 is our cutoff year. (at Least for hot rodding em')
My Pop' distances from modern cars as there too complex. Too much to worry.
Meanwhile finding a good enough shell of a something that's not half rusted to death and not scalped like steam decks and RAM is getting harder and harder.
Sadly, it'll probably be GT7 for me to get the cars in.
 
There are large aircraft that are capable of autolanding. The pilots program the approach into the flight director, and don't touch the controls again until it's time to taxi off the runway. There is a system for small planes that will land the plane without any input in the event of the pilot being incapacitated. It has actually been used once in an actual situation. It finds the closest appropriate runway, makes radio calls to air traffic control to notify them, and lands. Passengers don't need to do anything except hold on. In general, the larger the aircraft, the easier it is to fly. Airliners are highly automated, and any technically proficient person can be instructed in how to set up the flight director for a landing, in the larger and newer models. If the aircraft is capable of a category III approach, it can be done. I was a commercial pilot for many years before I retired.
 
2008 is our cutoff year.

I don't mind newer stuff. You've got to upgrade your tools/knowledge, but so many new cars are easily tuned.

Airliners are highly automated, and any technically proficient person can be instructed in how to set up the flight director for a landing, in the larger and newer models.

Indeed. So far, it hasn't happened (a large commercial plane being landed by a non-pilot), but it's likely to happen at some point. There are also some great systems available now where basically the (small) plane instructs the passengers to press a red button, sit down, buckle up, and shut up. It'll then land the plane at the nearest available airport on your behalf.

Well, it may actually be that the plane lands itself instead of a passenger actually doing much of anything.

There was one instance where a guy had taken lessons but not gone far enough to get a license. He was able to land the plane after ATC was able to find a pilot who could tell him how to turn off the automated systems. The pilot had turned on the system before slumping over in his seat and dying. But that was just a small prop plane.

There was another where a steward recovered and made it to the cabin. They somehow gained access to the cabin and were able to redirect the plane so that it at least didn't crash in a populated area. Though, in that case, I think that's what they decided he was doing after the fact.

I was a commercial pilot for many years before I retired.

I've done some piloting, but I have no interest in getting my license. The last thing I want to do is babysit a plane. I see how much time and effort they put into it, and I want nothing to do with that. But it's fun to fly the airplane. It's the middle of the sky, and I have a qualified pilot with me, so it's not like I'm going to bump into something.

But, seriously, I don't want the time commitment to own a plane. That's like buying horses when you don't also own a farm, or adopting a dozen children when you're in your sixties.

Arguably, a helicopter could be worse. I have a buddy with an old UH-1, and it always has at least one or two things wrong with it.
 
but so many new cars are easily tuned.
Rather, maintenance. Older for the most part we like because it's simple. No computer modules telling this to do that to do that and this and eventually you wind up with your car looking like a server rack if you dissect it. He just does not like it because he has been working on them for a while and just can't handle them anymore. (An auto shop he owns, he really wants to retire- too much stress as it's a one-man shop.)

I'm alright with newer cars too, as long as I don't have to work on them!
I usually run a Lexus RC-F proto GT3 in GT7, as well as a Genesis and a few others. I do like them, I just don't want to have to work on them to maintain them. (Those horror stories can be true.... We have a so called "Hall Of Shame" at the shop).
Just harder to work on some things due to how advanced they are.
 
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you're right, there isnt a lot of hard scifi published any more these days. I typically avoid reddit but the HFY genre has a good subreddit --> https://www.reddit.com/r/HFY/. there's some (not many) there. a lot of it is soft scifi or sci/fantasy.
 
The key point is that it's just so darned hard to suspend disbelief.
While it does, in general, get harder and harder as time goes by, I find it easier to suspend disbelief when it involves something that I've been involved with over time. For instance, pretty much anything "Star Trek" - I guess it's just that I suspended disbelief for that story line a long time ago, so it's easier to just get back into it. Star Trek establishes it's own set of "scientific rules" and it's glaringly obvious when they violate those but I can pretty much ignore violations of actual scientific rules.

What do you find difficult to watch/read?
I have a hard time suspending disbelief when I read or watch... the news. That makes me sad, but it is what it is.
 
I have a hard time suspending disbelief when I read or watch... the news. That makes me sad, but it is what it is.
I could not agree with you more!
 
Helicopters do require lots of maintenance. I was primarily a helicopter pilot. Technically I still am, my license is still good, but I don't have the required medical certificate. I flew everything from small Bell 206 models up to large transport-category Sikorskys. Maintenance is always ongoing. That's one of the reasons operating a helicopter is more expensive than an airplane. Skimping on maintenance can be fatal. I would never, ever own a helicopter.
 
Violence. People arguing and screaming.
I can resonate with it, but also had an immediate thought back to a particular movie that I was fond of viewing. It's called Carnage by Polanski and (despite the title) is about two couples trying a civil get-together to settle something about their children. It's based on a theater play and the movie is shot in one flat, I let the wikipedia explain the rest.

What I can't stand myself are, curiously, carnage/splash movies, be it the regular horror genre or worse. I guess it falls under violence, but I also dislike the suspense elements they developed to keep triggering people in the cinema seat. I can deal with the classical vampire movies set in the past, but these are more folklore compared to the splash movies of this millennium.
 
Rather, maintenance.

I actually like that they have computers. They help identify problems, most of the time.

HFY genre

That does look like an interesting project.

I have a hard time suspending disbelief when I read or watch... the news.

I suppose it depends on where you get your news. Ideally, you'd be able to believe the news you see (more or less). There are some 'news' sources that I disbelieve by default.

While I don't like the term, there's a lot of 'fake news' out there. If it's fake, it's not really news.

It's sort of like reading a 'self-help' book. If you're reading a book, that's not really self-help. That's help that has been assisted by a book.
 
I suppose it depends on where you get your news.
I felt like that for a long time. While I'm a life long resident of the U.S.A. I had lately been getting my news primarily from the BBC because of (at least perceived) biases in pretty much every major U.S. news outlet. I expected some bias from the BBC, just based upon the political climate of their home country but figured I could work around that - fore-warned is fore-armed and all that - and at least get mostly factual reporting. But then a couple of fairly high up BBC executives resigned recently over some video footage that had been edited to give a deliberately false view of the news. I know this strays perilously close to "political discussion" territory, but what I'm talking about here is the quality and reliability of the news coverage rather than -what- was being covered.

Anyhow, the whole thing leaves me trusting the news from formerly trusted news outlets about as much as I trust news from my facebook feed - which is to say "not at all".

Sadly, if a large enough percentage of the populace comes to distrust "the press" then "freedom of the press" becomes meaningless. The press doesn't need to be directly restricted in order to lose its power.
 
I do have to add a little Joke related to the title.
Sometimes it might be hard to suspend belief.

A Great Workaround for that! :p

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Please proceed to throw tomatoes at the screen...
:p
 
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