Considerations in Specifying a New Desktop to Run Linux Mint?

No problem with direct answers BW.

The Lenovo PC seems to be distinctly mid range and not leading edge. (although that's probably a matter of perception)

Both the M75S gen 2 PC (seemingly about to be superceded) and the AMD Ryzen™ 7 5700G processor (3.80 GHz up to 4.60 GHz) in the M75S I'm looking at were according to the info both released in early 2021 - hopefully long enough ago for Mint to have got used to it.

They offer the AMD Ryzen™ 7 5750G processor as an alternative which it seems includes various Microsoft oriented corporate/enterprise remote management and security tools. (similar to Intel vPRO according to the info pages) I don't know, but this sounds as though it might not be a good idea with Mint ...
 
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All my machines are Intel, but when I used to build my own, I would only use AMD {remember I am old and building / repairing machines since the 1980's] I always found AMD more reliable, but many will argue about that.
 
Both the M75S gen 2 PC (seemingly about to be superceded) and the AMD Ryzen™ 7 5700G processor (3.80 GHz up to 4.60 GHz) in the M75S I'm looking at were according to the info both released in early 2021 - hopefully long enough ago for Mint to have got used to it.

Those are going to run just fine. A newer GPU may not have all the bells and whistles, but should function well enough for your day-to-day Linux needs. Stuff like GPU overclocking software isn't likely to be available, or anything like that.
 
Gaming is not on my list of rather pedestrian requirements KGIII.

Interestingly enough there's at least one guy on YouTube doing some basic hopping up of one of these PCs for gaming and arguing that it performs remarkably well.

The biggest problem right now seems to be to get my hands on a sales guy in Lenovo to finalise a few spec details - it was no problem earlier in the week but they were quoting a 45 min wait all afternoon today...
 
for decades I was an intel/nvidia fanboy, but recently switched over to amd (8845hs). intel hardware is rather trash these days (ie microcode debacle). I crave reliability more than I crave intel.
 
Web pieces say that the Intel 'problem' is confined to a couple of recent chip generations.

I suppose the $1m question is whether or not it extends beyond that...
 
Mad as hell!!! More than a day of my time wasted by Lenovo sales support - in extended waits over a very frustrating week. This in order to reach an agent to get answers to basic spec questions on the intended Gen 2 M75S Think Centre - only for the website (having offered a late Oct del date all of the way through the process) to trash it all during checkout by shoving the delivery out to March 2026 due to unavailability of parts.

They now are advising a switch to the Gen 5 version and arguing that it too is Linux compatible. I'm cautious about this - the more recent AMD Ryzen 7 8700G or Pro 8700G processors offered in it were launched in April of 2024. The data sheet lists Ubuntu Linux and IGEL Linux as OS options but Ubuntu is not Mint and IGEL sounds like an enterprise tool.

I can't in the meantime seem to dig up good basic information on the differences between the Ryzen 7 8700G and Pro 8700G processors - never mind find out whether or not they are Linux Mint compatible.

The other complication is that the proposed 4K/UHD monitor seems from the other thread to be potentially problematical due to fractional scaling problems.

I'm at a bit of a loss on how to proceed...
 
I can't in the meantime seem to dig up good basic information on the differences
I cant see anything substantial see

 
Thanks for that BW - that's a more detailed comparison than those I found. The two processors seem identical in terms of performance.

A bit more digging after the above brought this piece up on the subject of the Pro designation: https://www.howtogeek.com/whats-the-difference-between-ryzen-pro-and-normal-ryzen/ It seems that the Pro version includes anti theft, security and encryption features required only in an enterprise environment/not in a stand alone home situation.

Even more digging has seen the plot thicken in respect of the matter of Linux Mint compatability with the Gen 5 (later) version of the Lenovo M75S Think Centre PC (also with the Gen 2 which Lenovo sales had already confirmed as being compatible)

I may in fact have dodged a bullet as a consequence of the daft leadtime quoted for the Gen 2 preventing my placing an order for one.

The rather vague assurances coming from sales support regarding Gen 5 Linux compatability were as in the post above not confidence inspiring. A call to Lenovo Premium tech support saw them fortunately agree to advise on the matter despite there having as yet been no sale.

It turns out (hopefully the following is correct) that both the Gen 2 and Gen 5 M75S are Linux compatible, but that only Ubuntu 24.04 and RHEL9.4 (whatever that is) are fully supported (presumably in terms of warranty and tech support) by Lenovo - click on the link 'Desktops, Smart IOT and ThinkEdge' here : https://support.lenovo.com/ie/en/solutions/pd031426-linux-for-personal-systems

They said that Mint likely works on both because they know of users running it, but that there is no SLA (service level agreement) with Mint and that consequently while they will support on BIOS/hardware etc that they do not in the case of the Mint OS/software.

It seems that Ubuntu 24.04 can run the Cinnamon desktop which given the compatibility with the PC suggests that it might be a better choice than Mint - but I'm wondering how user friendly and/or reliable that set up might be for a non-techie Linux learner?

A side but not insignificant benefit with Ubuntu if it's a realistic option seems to be that unlike Mint it from version 24.04 onwards includes a properly functioning fractional scaling capability. This should (???) open the way to trouble free use of the 4K/UHD monitor that my elderly eyes prefer.

Thoughts BW/anybody?
 
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but that only Ubuntu 24.04 and RHEL9.4 (whatever that is)
RHEL is the new name for Red Hat enterprises, the commercial company, if you want a free RHEL based distro then Fedora or Rocky Linux , any distribution that can run Ubuntu can run almost anything you like, if you're buying bare bones without OS then in most countries and the EU have statutory laws on goods being fit for purpose but I probably would stick with something Ubuntu based or more likely the less bloated Debian stable based distributions
 
that's a more detailed comparison than those I found
that's just years more experience there was an old term called riro [rubbish in rubbish out] using a search engine is the same the better your question then the better the results my question to duck duck go, was " full comparison between [then the two cpu's]
 
Thanks again BW.

The question remains how Ubuntu 24.04 with the Cinnamon desktop stacks up against Mint Cinnamon for a new user

There's various videos addressing this topic on YouTube and no doubt beyond - so it's back to the research..
 
The question remains how Ubuntu 24.04 with the Cinnamon desktop stacks up against Mint Cinnamon for a new user
Many members will have a strong opinion on their favourite distro, and others will be more pragmatic,
so my answer is Ubuntu is one of the oldest of the Debian derivatives on which Mint 22 is based, the basic difference that you will see is the DE and some selected packages, I actually prefer Mint LMDE which is based directly on Debian and without the bloat created with Ubuntu, but is one better than the other, Not really, what makes the main difference is how the desk top looks, as the vast majority of modern distributions are predominantly point and click. As always, I will say..
What is best for me or any other member, may not be right for you, only you can choose.
 
Thanks BW. The catch 22 of course is that without experience of a distro or whatever it's hard to make an informed choice.

My personal feeling at this stage is that given basic compatibility with the proposed hardware and inclusion of the required functionality that the difference between Mint and Ubuntu with Cinnamon in terms of user experience is probably incidental - a matter of getting used to whatever variant.

It's very difficult based on the various descriptions/blurbs to from this distance separate them - they seem very similar.

I'm leaning towards the Ubuntu 24.04 Cinnamon option at this stage because it's no ifs and buts supported by Lenovo on the proposed PC and seems also to be set up to handle a 4K monitor - but will dig some more before committing.

There don't seem to be too many around with views on the matter....
 
There don't seem to be too many around with views on the matter.
I am one of the pragmatic ones, I have been playing with Linux since the late1990's and sole user for just over 20 years, in that period I have run umpteen different builds,the vast majority ran well and were stable, so i am back to saying , download at least 6 different ones [including those recommended by Lenovo], and see which runs best on your machine, don't over think just go with your gut.
 
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@Vaj2 :-

Ayup. I agree with m'colleague whole-heartedly.

This is of course one of the primary complaints new users often have with Linux. "Why does there have to be so MUCH 'choice'"?

Coming from a Windows background as so many do, there's ONE desktop. ONE file-manager. ONE way of setting things up. And everyone is "singing from the same hymn-sheet". Everything is developed, written, produced and tightly integrated with each other by the same organization.....Microsoft.

These are decisions no Windows user needs to make.....because it's ALL been taken care of FOR them. Linux, on the other hand, is a patchwork smorgasbord of different components, all of which have been developed by widely disparate groups/'teams' of people from all around the globe. Some of these components are even the work of single individuals.

As for the distros themselves, well; the descriptions given on the websites are going to mean next to nothing to beginners.....and with the best will in the world, there is only SO much information you can impart via the written word/pictures, even videos. At some point, you have to give these things a 'test drive', and experience them for yourself......which is one enormous "plus point" in Linux's favour, given the ability of most distros to run totally in RAM, in what's called 'Live' mode from external media. And that lets you test out hardware compatibility, and see if your computer and the OS are going to "play nice" together......and more importantly, whether you could see yourself being able to live with it for any length of time.

(You try doing THAT with Whinedoze...hmm?)

This one fact alone - along with the tireless work of the kernel development team (which is what ties so much of everything else together) - has helped drive Linux adoption levels steadily up and up.....because it's so easy to "try it out", with NO 'commitment' of any sort (apart from your time, of course).

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As an aside, with regard to your comment about how many of the printers all seem to use the same driver? Epson are a prime example of this; despite having produced literally hundreds of different models (along with multiple "variations on a theme") over a nearly 50-year period, in all that time they've only supplied something like a dozen or so different 'core' printer drivers/filters/ppa files.....primarily because the same chipsets get re-used across so many of the model ranges.

And it's the chipset that is the very item the drivers 'talk to'.

I'd never pretend that any forum like ours is able to help with absolutely every possible question that can be asked regarding the many & varied aspects of Linux, However; the membership DO have a pretty broad range of experience between them, and can usually help those with queries to achieve satisfactory results in MOST scenarios.

They're a good bunch.

It goes without saying, I think, that for anything that's particularly specific to any given distro, then that distro's own community is always going to be the best place to get the kind of help you'd be looking for.


Mike. ;)
 
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The very genuine feeling 'community' vibe and lots that's practical by way of assistance with Linux is enormously attractive and a great asset.

This thread has in a similar vein been of great assistance - it's greatly appreciated.

Choice as you suggest is also a strength.

I'm NOT an MS or Windows fan - my trust has been destroyed.

The accelerating addition of gimmicky 'improvements' has long been a major irritation. It turned a corner to become something much worse in recent years with the arm twisting that is going on now - e.g. the over riding of default browser settings to force the use of Edge, harvesting of sensitive log in and financial data in an attempt to drive the use of side products, snooping on third party website activities and insertion of windows encouraging the use of other products, heavy handed updates putting heaven knows what on PCs. and which reverse user settings...

There comes a point when it's down to trying stuff out - it sounds like we are there with Linux.

The major positive of the past few days had been the seeming elimination of concerns regarding the possibility of running into basic hardware incompatibilities with Mint - Lenovo unequivocally support Ubuntu 24.04 on the intended PC.....
 
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