CaffeineAddict
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Come on guys, it's not like we live in middle ages, it's 2026.
It's far better to just kill a person that this.
Another one: CIFSwitch: a non-universal Linux local root vulnerability
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It's far better to just kill a person that this.
I actually have no problem with 'finding loopholes' in matters of law. That's not a bad thing. If there's a 'loophole' that gets them released, they never should have been incarcerated in the first place.
LOL That does nobody any good and encourages recidivism. They build a grudge against society and engage in even more criminal behavior. We have done many, many studies over the years.
When someone leaves prison and lives in my neighborhood, I'd rather they'd have spent their time learning to read, getting a GED, and then taking classes/lessons to learn a useful skill.
Why? I don't want them taking my stuff. It's my stuff, and I like it. They can get their own stuff.
Yeah, that didn't work. Harder and longer sentences do nothing to lower the rate of criminality.
A good example is some current countries that will literally chop off a hand for stealing. There are people who have no hands and some who even have no feet.
Some, yes. When their sentence is over, those rights are often restored to some extent.
I do agree with taking away their rights to have a firearm (for felons). If they want, the federal government doesn't classify many black powder guns/rifles/pistols as firearms. So, they can own them. (I believe some states still disallow that.)
There are many good reasons why we changed our way of thinking.
You'd rather die than have to wait a few years to own your own computer with internet access?
In the US, some states go so far as to take away your right to vote. Some restore that right after you've finished your sentence, including finishing probation or parole. In Maine, it's actually very different. Inmates are allowed to vote in state and federal elections. They are encouraged to file an absentee ballot in the town where they lived prior to their conviction.
I am not sure that I can agree with such a view. Yeah, it's punishment. When you violate the community's trust, you get the chance to earn that trust back. It's a process and you may not like all of the restrictions. In that case, you shouldn't have taken the plea deal and just asked for 'straight time' (without probation or parole).
Also... This may get too political. If anyone thinks it is, I'll snip this part out.
In theory, I have no problem with the death penalty. In reality, I do not agree with the death penalty. There have been too many wrongful convictions. They've used capital punishment on the mentally handicapped and mentally ill. We can't even trust confessions, as people are often coerced into confessions.
Criminologists estimate that 4% to 6% of all inmates in the US are innocent. They get coerced into confessing. They are afraid of a longer sentence, so they take the plea agreement. Sometimes, they're mentally handicapped or mentally ill. Then, there are all the times when it's a mix of things.
If we can get that number down to 0%, and keep that number at 0%, I'll support capital punishment.
That said, I'd rather be executed than serve a long prison sentence. I'd absolutely rather be executed than do a long stint in solitary confinement. I think inmates should be allowed access to a humane death if they so choose. Though, if I'm to be executed, I think I'd opt for the firing squad. While morbid, it's generally a very quick process.
Okay back to reality here on earth.
I agree killing everyone that breaks the law would only create more chaos and doubtful it would change much it hasn't in the past.
Flogging and beating for punishment can be effective although does more harm mentally than one will ever imagine.
Something needs to be done to those who create software that literally rapes user's data and privacy.
By something it needs to be radical enough to prevent that violator and future other violators from ever considering such an act again.
Perhaps making a few examples of violators in an extreme fashion to deter future crimes as these.
Exactly what I have no idea or clue but it needs to be a substantial punishment and not just a slap on the wrist or an ankle monitor.
FWIW my above posts are just ranting and venting as this kind of stuff really irritates the hell out of me.
Unfortunately the powers in charge don't do much to discourage this type of criminal activity.
I guess at the end of the day there is really nothing that can be done.
Sad isn't it.
I agree killing everyone that breaks the law would only create more chaos and doubtful it would change much it hasn't in the past.
Flogging and beating for punishment can be effective although does more harm mentally than one will ever imagine.
Something needs to be done to those who create software that literally rapes user's data and privacy.
By something it needs to be radical enough to prevent that violator and future other violators from ever considering such an act again.
Perhaps making a few examples of violators in an extreme fashion to deter future crimes as these.
Exactly what I have no idea or clue but it needs to be a substantial punishment and not just a slap on the wrist or an ankle monitor.
FWIW my above posts are just ranting and venting as this kind of stuff really irritates the hell out of me.
Unfortunately the powers in charge don't do much to discourage this type of criminal activity.
I guess at the end of the day there is really nothing that can be done.
Sad isn't it.
We have laws for this, though many are in other countries that don't care enough to prosecute and, in some cases, actively promote doing so.
Probably not in our lifetime.
The laws that might curtail this are the laws you and I would disagree with.
If you had to verify your ID to use a computer and then give up all of your privacy, we'd be able to prevent a lot of the malicious behavior.
This would, of course, require either 'one world government' or some bizarre intervention that meant every nation on the planet agreed to implement the rules effectively. They'd then have to monitor the activity properly.
It's sort of like how we could pretty much eliminate automobile accidents if we all moved to self-driving cars that got their directives from a centralized computer that optimised throughput and safety. Heck, you'd even be able to ride while drinking, as you'd never have control of the automobile.
At that point, why own an automobile in the first place? Just tap a button on your phone, input where you want to go, and there will be an automobile on the way to your house as soon as possible.
Plus, yeah... We're not going to get the entire globe to enact such laws. At least not in our lifetimes. Heck, we're not even all signatories to the Geneva Convention, the Outer Space Treaty, or even the Anti-Personnel Mine Ban Treaty.
It's quite a conundrum.
If I had a real solution, I'd be working on that instead of messing about on a Linux forum. So, as Ozzy so eloquently said, "Don't ask me. I don't know!"
As long as the loophole benefits for the good something and not for the bad of something.
That's not always true or the case.
I agree there are a few folks in jail that probably never should have gone although there's other reasons why they were convicted.
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The only reason I see for settling for a deal of any kind would be because of being guilty of said crime.
No one Innocent would ever settle for anything other than not guilty when they are not guilty.
I'd fight to the death to prove my innocence if I was.
The firing squad would be the best choice.
Head to your favorite search engine and toss in these search terms, 'innocent person executed in Texas' (sans quotes).
And, well, that's just Texas. Heck, here's a link: https://tcadp.org/get-informed/texas-death-penalty-facts/
Yup. There are still botched executions with the firing squad, but they're rare, and it doesn't take long for the inevitable to happen.
Death doesn't scare me, in and of itself. A long, agonizing death kind of scares me.
If it were up to me, I'd look to strong opiates. They fall asleep and stop breathing. From the folks who have been revived, many have said that it was downright pleasant. You just keep sticking Fentanyl in their arm until they stop snoring. Then, you stick in a bunch more just to make sure.
Many executions are botched due to poor veins. That's okay. They make Fentanyl patches and lollipops. It can even be formulated as a nasal spray.
Ah, well... I think we've pretty much gone as far as we can with this. We can keep the discussion going in a PM, if you'd like.
Condobloke
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Update to apparmor in Linux Mint today (Australia, 5.00 PM)
Fair bet that this will be in response to the name of this thread:
Fair bet that this will be in response to the name of this thread:
beanburrito
Active Member
X.Org Security Advisory released for 9 new vulnerabilities in X.Org X server and Xwayland
Since the thread has already gone off the rails.
CaffeineAddict
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With all these findings the curtain about Linux being secure system is gloriously fading away.
Where are all those users now who claimed something along the lines of "If I don't allow root nothing can byte me..."
Where are all those users now who claimed something along the lines of "If I don't allow root nothing can byte me..."
OP
CaffeineAddict
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@f33dm3bits
I think it's time to call it a myth at once.
Nobody buys the story anymore.
Except uninformed people, luckily handful of us don't belong to that group, info is power!
I think it's time to call it a myth at once.
Nobody buys the story anymore.
Except uninformed people, luckily handful of us don't belong to that group, info is power!
Easy OS and Puppy Linux run root.
The distros both offer 100% HDD isolation.
Easy OS offers HDD isolation OOTB.
Puppy Linux has software which can be installed for HDD isolation.
When running root you learn to not worry about running root.
Running as user account doesn't prevent being hacked and compromised if an attacker is determined to get in.
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Nothing is bulletproof.
Guess that's my fault that the thread went off topic although the thread can go back on topic if so desired.X.Org Security Advisory released for 9 new vulnerabilities in X.Org X server and Xwayland
Since the thread has already gone off the rails.
Never seen a forum yet where threads at so point didn't slide off topic it just happens and part of forums imo.
Rocketing-warp9
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It's alrighty-
Sometimes stuff is
" Goin off the rails on a Crazy Train"
Sometimes stuff is
" Goin off the rails on a Crazy Train"
CaffeineAddict
Well-Known Member
Yeah, like @MikeRocor once said, this is an "uncontrolled group".Sometimes stuff is
" Goin off the rails on a Crazy Train"
We need a dictator to hold us in line with an iron fist lol
I doubt most of us old farts could be be controlled as trying would only increase our defiance.
