openmandriva with windows 10

Hi,
I am trying to install openmandriva LX with windows 10 on my new Aspire E 17 machine. I have come as far as starting the installation from an iso file on an external CDROM reader, but when I get to the point where I have to input data the curser is dead - I cannot move it.
I assume this should result in a dual boot - correct?
Can anyone help?
best regards
torben

.iso file? Are you trying to run the raw file that you downloaded from the internet?

BTW, welcome to the forum, Torben!

Dual-booting Linux with Windows: What you need to know

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First, choose your Linux distribution. Download it and create USB installation media or burn it to a DVD. Boot it on a PC already running Windows—you may need to mess with Secure Boot settings on a Windows 8 or Windows 10 computer. Launch the installer, and follow the instructions.

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Hi arochester,
I did all of that, but when I get to the first screen where I have to input something (or rather click on *Next") I cannot move the curser. That is the problem.
torben

Hi Bayou Bengal,
Thanks for the welcome!
Yes I am installing the iso file I downloaded from SourceForge. It has always worked for me as it did this time ~ except for the problem withe curser.
torben

torben said:

Hi arochester,
I did all of that, but when I get to the first screen where I have to input something (or rather click on *Next") I cannot move the curser. That is the problem.
torben

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Sometimes a dual boot setup with Windows 10 will go smoothly, but often it will not. You need to understand what the UEFI capabilities are of the openMandriva distro. A good place to start is the release notes for the latest version, 3.02. Among other things, the release notes say that it does not support Secure Boot, so you need to turn that off in UEFI. You may need to adjust other UEFI settings, such as Fast Boot.

The release notes also gives this as an "Important Note: The KDE Plasma Desktop requires a 3D graphics card that supports OpenGL 2.0 or above." So if your video card is inadequate, that could cause your installation to freeze.

I cannot overemphasize that you should make a "System Recovery" on USB of your Windows 10 system before you begin making changes. That includes backing up any important files on your Windows partition. It is quite easy to make mistakes with a dual boot installation, and you could get into trouble and need to reinstall Windows from scratch.

I read that openMandriva creates a "Live Linux" system on USB or DVD... have you successfully ran it in live mode first, before attempting to install? And are you open to considering other distros besides openMandriva?

Cheers!

Hi @torben

I am inclined to keep my great big giant bib out of this as too many cooks spoil the broth and you are in good hands

However, I do wonder, with the Aspire notebook, are you using the trackpad on it for point and click or do you have a mouse plugged in? Could be a hardware issue?

Me out of here (disappears in a puff of smoke).

Wizard
BTW - seriously, are you really closer to 82 than 81? That is huge (embracing Linux) makes us sexagenarians look tame.

wizardfromoz said:

However, I do wonder, with the Aspire notebook, are you using the trackpad on it for point and click or do you have a mouse plugged in? Could be a hardware issue?

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Stick around Wizard... you always pick up on great points, like this one!

Hi,
I am traveling at the moment - I will be back on thursday
regards
torben

Have a safe journey!

Cheers

atanere said:

Have a safe journey!

Cheers

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Hi,
I have now installed Linux with the help of mouse connected to USB - so it is a hardware problem.
I have installed Linux alongside Windows, but I dont get the choice to select when I start the computer - I get right on to Windows and see no trace of Linux. I did not see anything about dual installation when I installed - except that "it" reduced the Windows installation to about half size.
I suppose that I need a driver for the pointer device on the Acer?
Can anyone help with that?

You're right: it's a driver problem. But can't fix that until you can boot Linux. Did you go with openMandriva, or something else?

When you start the computer, before Windows starts, you should see some options for "Setup" and "Boot Menu". The boot menu is often F12 on Acer, but it could be something else. Try that and see if Linux is available from there.

Another option is to go into Setup and look at the boot order. DVD and/or USB is likely first in the boot order, then Windows... and the hopefully you see Linux there too (may say "grub" or "shim"). If Linux is there, you should be able to move it ahead of Windows. Save the changes and reboot.

Hi atanere,
I tried the F12, but it only has 1 entry in the boot option manager:

1. Windows Boot Manager ( )

When I go to the Boot-section I get boot-order:

1. Windows Boot Manager
2. HDD: WDC WD10JPVX-22JC3TO
.
.
.
7. USB CDROM

But I cant see how I can add to that and I dont know what to add. The CDROM was what I used for the install.
It is as if Windows does'nt know what has happened to it.

When I look up the Release Notes (openmandriva) I find:

Booting from ISO file

Grub2 entry ( to be added in /boot/grub2/grub.cfg)

submenu "OpenMandriva (64 bit)" {
set isofile=/home/user/OpenMandrivaLx.3.0-PLASMA.x86_64.iso
set isoname=OpenMandrivaLx_3.0
loopback loop $isofile

menuentry "OpenMandriva" {
linux (loop)/boot/vmlinuz0 root=live:LABEL=${isoname} iso-scan/filename=${isofile} rd.live.image toram --
initrd (loop)/boot/liveinitrd.img
}

}

but how can I add the the ISO-file and where should I place it in /boot/grub2/grub.cfg. Maybe that is obvious once I see it.

torben

torben said:

I did not see anything about dual installation when I installed - except that "it" reduced the Windows installation to about half size.

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Well, I'm not quite sure where you're at.... whether you successfully installed openMandriva to your hard drive, or not. If it reduced the size of your Windows, that's a good sign that you did install it. But any Linux I've ever installed has a screen to set up partitions... and you almost certainly would have been offered the option to set up "alongside Windows" or to "use entire disk" or "other" (for manual partitioning). If you missed that screen.... then you may well have also missed the part where it will ask you where to put the bootloader (grub). The default location for the bootloader is usually a good choice, but perhaps in your case it was not.

I don't think the grub.cfg entries that you found in the release notes apply here... it seems to be showing a way to boot the .iso file directly (not a usual way to do things). I assume that you used DVD burning software to "burn image" to burn the openMandriva .iso file to the DVD. That's the only way to make the DVD bootable so that it will install.

Did you disable "Secure Boot" in your UEFI settings before installing?

I am trying to re-create the problem you're having... and its working. I installed openMandriva as a dual boot with Windows 10 on a laptop (HP for me, not Acer), and it also will not boot Linux. It does not seem to have created the proper bootloader entry for UEFI booting. It may take me awhile, but I will pursue it further to see if I can help you figure this out. Unfortunately, I have to return to work tomorrow for a 12-hr shift, so I won't have anything to offer for a day, or two, or maybe more (depending on my wife).

I do like openMandriva so far (I used to be a big fan of Mandrake).... and the notes I have found say it should work in a UEFI environment, but no joy so far with a number of trials earlier today.

Hi Atanere,
I did disable "Secure Boot" in my UEFI settings before installing and openmandrivalx is properly installed in its own partition taking up half of the disk and Windows taking the other half.
But I found out that if I leave the installation disc in the CDROM-drive when I start the computer, the first I get is two screens of which the second lets me chose either Grub or Windows. And they both work!!! So now I can start both Linux and Windows in this way.
But I wonder if this is the only way - I would prefer to avoid using the installation disk. By the way, the computer starts with the installation disk even though the CDROM is not the first on the start-up list in setup.
What do you think?
torben

Now THAT'S interesting

'Afternoon from DownUnder.

Just had a small glitch under Firefox with this site, but will leave this for now to see if my new install of Open Mandriva has "stuck" OK.

Back momentarily

Wiz

Back now, but likely getting late for some?

That last Post was from FF under OpenMandriva, which has installed for me under UEFI conditions fine. That is on the Toshiba Satellite laptop.

@torben - I don't run Windows, totally Linux, so I can't duplicate exactly your circumstances as friend @atanere has done.

However, given he is working the long shifts I may be able to act as his wingman if you & he are happy with that arrangement.

You wondered ..

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So now I can start both Linux and Windows in this way.
But I wonder if this is the only way - I would prefer to avoid using the installation disk....

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And the answer is an emphatic no, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Only concern I have is whether Stan's experience duplicates your, and what is the cause.

But we have a wonderful word "workaround" and my spellchecker did not contradict me although "spellchecker" wants to be "spell-checker" or "spell checker", so I'll stick with workaround, it must have made its way into the language.

We/you are in a good position here, with a

1. barely altered install of a Distro, and
2. having an installation disk/usb stick of the same Distro

to use a process called "chroot" (I just pronounce it cheroot, like the cigar).

Simply put, chrooting allows the user to enter another drive or partition or Distro, and assume the role of Root, that is, Administrator, so it's like "change Root".

Once we type in a few commands, we can then make changes to Grub, save them and exit, reboot without the install disk, and you should have a regular Grub menu comprising Mandriva on top, followed by Windows.

Your optical media drive slot or tray is free to use as you please, and you can do with the disk what you will ... personally, I would keep it around, they are handy.

Sounds like win-win?

To perform these commands, we will be using Terminal, which under the KDE environment, as you have, is called "Konsole" (get used to a lot of k's in KDE, lol).

If, in OpenMandriva, you go bottom left corner and click the menu/start icon, you will find half way up the left side pane an icon that a smart tip will reveal as Konsole, has a gray square with a whitish > in the middle. That is where we will be working from in the install disk, rather than using it to install with.

I'll leave you to think about whether you are happy with this proposed course, and in the meantime, I will practise my chrooting on the Toshiba.

Cheers for now

Wizard

Hi Wizard,
OK - I have been in the konsole before.
torben