Controversial?

[deb_user]

Rust is a programming language. It is being used in the Linux kernel now, and it is not likely to go away. C was the programming language for awhile, but it's being abandoned. Pascal and Ada were big for awhile, but are no longer used by serious programmers. I've thrown my Pascal books away and forgotten about it.

Almost every distro is abandoning X and going to Wayland. X is obsolete, and only a few diehard members of its religion are maintaining it. Systemd took over Linux entirely, and again, only a few diehard haters maintain other init systems. Technology moves on, and those refusing to accept newer technology are left in the dust. Adapt or die.

 

[The Duck]

Rust is a programming language.

Okay well now I know that I'll never have any use for it as I'm not a programmer and have zero desire to be a programmer.

Almost every distro is abandoning X and going to Wayland. X is obsolete, and only a few diehard members of its religion are maintaining it. Systemd took over Linux entirely, and again, only a few diehard haters maintain other init systems. Technology moves on, and those refusing to accept newer technology are left in the dust. Adapt or die.

Agreed.

 

[f33dm3bits]

Almost every distro is abandoning X and going to Wayland. X is obsolete

X still has it's use cases, for example I still use X11 with Xfce at work as I haven't found a good alternative for xrdp on Wayland except for some ugly hacks which I find too much work and sound too unreliable. I'll have another look next year if I can find a good workable solution then.

 

[Rocketing-warp9]

Systemd took over Linux entirely, and again, only a few diehard haters maintain other init systems. Technology moves on, and those refusing to accept newer technology are left in the dust. Adapt or die.

Resistance is futile..
In both directions.

I Got trek on the brain, and I can't lie...

 

[Rocketing-warp9]

The beauty of Linux is there are many choices to fit every user.

Linux, the Lego in a sentence. I Agree 10000%.

 

[Cyberbleuet]

Why would Ubuntu be controversial? It's a ready-to-use distro, easy to learn.Cheers!

 

[Perpetual Padawan]

People who use only window managers are more likely to not be affected by the whole Wayland / XWayland thing. Always an option for those like me who are a little suspicious of all the new "improvements" that don't improve anything, enhance anything, or make it more efficient. For now using LXDE is working great, both on Xorg and on XLibre.

 

[gvisoc]

Last time I installed Ubuntu server I also got snaps with that, I'm assuming that's still the case?

Yes, you get snaps, but in my case I haven't had any use for them (hence I use none), as I use docker.

 

[ron.alan]

Almost every distro is abandoning X and going to Wayland. X is obsolete, and only a few diehard members of its religion are maintaining it. Systemd took over Linux entirely, and again, only a few diehard haters maintain other init systems. Technology moves on, and those refusing to accept newer technology are left in the dust. Adapt or die.

Sorry, but this is a load of crap. I think you may have a "religion" as well.

 

[The Duck]

Almost every distro is abandoning X and going to Wayland. X is obsolete, and only a few diehard members of its religion are maintaining it. Systemd took over Linux entirely, and again, only a few diehard haters maintain other init systems. Technology moves on, and those refusing to accept newer technology are left in the dust. Adapt or die.

Sorry, but this is a load of crap. I think you may have a "religion" as well.

I think what @deb_user means is that most of the mainstream Linux distros are migrating to Wayland server with the option to revert back to X11 server.

Most if not all Gnome based desktop environment Linux distros have and are migrating to Wayland.

It's up to other desktop environment developers to develop and migrate to Wayland or XLibre and it will happen eventually.

I believe LXQT will be the next desktop environment to make the migration to a newer desktop server.

I'm all for the change I'm not one who wants to remain in the past anymore.

I have the Linux developers and Nvidia to thank for my accepting the new ways and progress of ever changing Linux.

All things change and come to an end and either move forward or stagnate in the past took me awhile to accept that.

 

[gvisoc]

"Those who refuse to adapt..." join the coolest of the pack with the retrocomputing folks!

 

[ron.alan]

My point of view is 'why replace things that "just work" for the latest shiny?' Well if worse comes to worse, there's always the BSDs.

I for one won't celebrate the Windows-ification of Linux.

 

[The Duck]

My point of view is 'why replace things that "just work" for the latest shiny?' Well if worse comes to worse, there's always the BSDs.

I for one won't celebrate the Windows-ification of Linux.

Because as new technology appears the old ways of doing no longer supports the new technology and new support becomes a must.

Even in the world of Easy OS and Puppy Linux the new ways are slowly being implemented to support new changes.

I for one don't like change although I'm smart enough to realize I have to change with it whether I like it or not.

Eventually the old ways of doing things will be gone and the new ways will be the norm until something else comes along.

 

[f33dm3bits]

My point of view is 'why replace things that "just work" for the latest shiny?' Well if worse comes to worse, there's always the BSDs.

Because as new technology appears the old ways of doing no longer supports the new technology and new support becomes a must.

It's not like most of the word population is still driving cars from 70's or 80's.

BSD will get to Wayland as well as they already have documentation on it.

Chapter 6. Wayland

This chapter describes how to install and configure Wayland and compositors on FreeBSD, which provides a graphical user environment

docs.freebsd.org

State of Wayland on FreeBSD in 2026

Comprehensive look at Wayland support on FreeBSD in 2026. Compositor status, GPU driver support, application compatibility, XWayland, and the roadmap ahead.

www.freebsdsoftware.org

I think if they had called it X12 instead of Wyland a lot less people would have been losing their minds over it. If you see what privilege escalation exploits AI found in the Linux kernel, I'd be scared to know what they would find in X11 if they had run the same AI over that.

 

[ron.alan]

I'd be scared to know what they would find in X11 if they had run the same AI over that.

And I'm sure they'd find a bunch in Wayland as well.

 

[Perpetual Padawan]

New technology that does the exact same things as the old technology - except:

• No improvement in speed or efficiency
• Much higher demand on CPU and RAM, making perfectly good hardware obsolete
• Vehement opposition to the tech it's meant to replace
• No engineering considerations behind their adoption, only financial and political pressure

It wasn't broke to begin with. It's buggy and written in twelve zillion lines of code instead of a few tens of thousands. It's backed with millions of dollars from mega corporations with their own business agendas. It's pushed and forced and rammed, crammed, and jammed at people with zeal that rivals political and religious movements.

For me it's still about choice, and the freedom to use what works best for the user's own needs and wishes. Being pressed into a one-size-fits-all mold against all reason is no choice at all.

 

[f33dm3bits]

And I'm sure they'd find a bunch in Wayland as well.

Of course like any software but most likely more in X11/Xorg as security wasn't a thing when it was originally developed, as it was developed before the internet. Since Wayland doesn't have networking in it's design it makes it more complicated for remote desktop sessions on Wayland, that's why I'm still using X11 for that particular use-case until I find a better solution for it.

 

[MikeWalsh]

Because as new technology appears the old ways of doing no longer supports the new technology and new support becomes a must.

.....but that's ONLY because the "new technology" has deliberately dropped support for the "old way of doing things". Developers of the "new technology" have clearly decided they want to develop a whole NEW infrastructure specifically to support THEIR "new toy" (to make it seem like it's something fresh & wonderful, when frequently it's nothing more than a re-hash of something that's already been around for a very long time).

As I've said before on multiple occasions, over many years & across many different communities.....some developers - not all, it's true - seem to feel an almost desperate, over-powering need to constantly justify their existence, to ensure they remain "relevant" to what's going on (and don't become viewed as old fuddy-duddys by the up-and-coming younger generation as they appear).

Some things will never change while humans have holes in their backsides. I have to agree with @ron.alan on this one; if something works - and works well for its purpose - then where on earth is the point in constantly tweaking / altering / modifying / changing it purely for the sake of it, hm? Unless, of course, said changes are requested by real-world users, in order to make working with it easier for all concerned.

In other words, responding to "constructive criticism" rather than "change for its own sake" purely on a whim.

(shrug...)

One thing, however, is as true today as it's always been. Change is the only thing in the world that IS constant.....


Mike.

 

[f33dm3bits]

In other words, responding to "constructive criticism" rather than "change for its own sake" purely on a whim.

Well everything else in the world is already living to that principle so no surprise they are also applying it to software. However the problem with that is if the world stopped changing then a lot less money would roll in the world market and economic systems and the higher ups wouldn't like that because it would mean they would lose money as currently common folk are just atm's for the companies owned by the ultra wealth as they don't call us "customers" anymore now days but "consumers". Notice the weight on the that last word? But seems I went a bit off topic, but we can say that a lot of things are related in some way or another.

 

[The Duck]

I agree with a lot of what has been said from both sides.

The reality is things are changing and are going to change and there's not a damn thing that we can do about any of the changes.

I used to think that Linux and Nvidia should keep supporting my graphics cards.

Bottom line support for my graphics cards ended and no difference with any of the new changes happening with Linux now.