Will this graphics card "Fit" ??

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I am looking at this card...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GIGABYTE...150910&hash=item2cc18dc112:g:DdkAAOSw1BlZTLl0

....I have an asrock B150M Pro4 motherboard.

I can see a pci express 3.0 slot on the motherboard.

Seeing I know screw all about this type of thing...can someone much better versed/experienced than myself tell me if this going to be compatible, both with the motherboard and with the pci express 3.0 slot

I am only installing this to sharpen up the display a little......not for gaming etc
I have noticed 'screen tearing' when I scroll quite slowly down a page....usually of print...as I am reading.

Screen tearing (to me) is a 'wiggly' line across the screen which "tears" the printed page apart for just a brief part of a second...

The price of the linked item above is quite good and I do not expect it last very long.....

FWIW, my pc runs ddr4 ram
 


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I am looking at this card...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/GIGABYTE...150910&hash=item2cc18dc112:g:DdkAAOSw1BlZTLl0

....I have an asrock B150M Pro4 motherboard.

I can see a pci express 3.0 slot on the motherboard.

Seeing I know screw all about this type of thing...can someone much better versed/experienced than myself tell me if this going to be compatible, both with the motherboard and with the pci express 3.0 slot

I am only installing this to sharpen up the display a little......not for gaming etc
I have noticed 'screen tearing' when I scroll quite slowly down a page....usually of print...as I am reading.

Screen tearing (to me) is a 'wiggly' line across the screen which "tears" the printed page apart for just a brief part of a second...

The price of the linked item above is quite good and I do not expect it last very long.....

FWIW, my pc runs ddr4 ram
My best guess is: Yes, I think it will fit. (Remember, that is ONLY a guess.) The PCIe cards and slots are backward compatible, from what I can find, so the 2.0 card should fit the 3.0 slot. Ebay doesn't give dimensions, but this link shows the card as 7.32" x 5" x 1.42". I'd suggest taking a good look inside to make sure about the space requirements and that the onboard fan will fit too. Again, I would guess that it will work for you.

Good luck!
 

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I am assuming that is a second pci slot down below..???

So....if it wont fit in the top slot...it will definitely fit in the lower slot.

Does all that sound logical ?
 

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Yes, it looks like you have two slots that are PCIe (x16) that can accept a graphics card. Another thing to check out is your power supply... your 1st choice requires a minimum of a 400W supply, and the others need at least a 300W supply.

This link is a fairly nice checklist of things to consider. The article also mentions that if your computer is an OEM model like Dell, HP, Acer, etc, that it is possible that the motherboard could be customized such that an off-the-shelf video card would not work and would require you to purchase one from the OEM. I have not run into a situation like that in a long time, but apparently it is still possible (Dell used to be notorious for this). If you built the computer yourself then this isn't an issue.

It wouldn't hurt to Google around a little for each model you are considering and see if there are any reviews to help you choose between them, especially from Linux users. It looks like they would all work okay, and whichever you choose I hope that it cures the screen tearing issue for you.
 

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Condobloke,
Looking at your motherboard specs, you have 4 expansion slots. 2 are PCIE x16, those are the long ones, and the two middle ones are PCIE x1.

The video board that you first indicated is a double width card, because the fan sticks out on the side facing the bottom of the case, (I'm assuming a tower case here) and the manufacturer claims that it uses 65 watts.

I don't know how much unused capacity you have on your current power supply, because I don't know what your configuration is, so I can't tell you if you need to upgrade the power supply also.

If it was me doing this, I would put the video card in the bottom slot, because you may want to use the two middle slots in the future, and if it was inserted in the top slot it would block one of them. Hope his helps.

Paul
 

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G'day Paul, yes you are correct....4 slots altogether, and yes it is a tower case.

Is there a terminal command that will tell us the needed info for the power supply and what is in use etc..?

It appears to be a 5oo from what i can see on the side of it.
 

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Power Supply

RS500. Pcar - j3
ATX 12v v2.3 w/o pfc
Max output 360W
(the 3.3v + 5v + 12v total output shall not exceed 427.9 W )
 

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If you want to compute what you are using (power wise), you need to determine the cpu usage, the motherboard usage, all drives, etc, and I would recommend allowing for at least 150 to 200 watts over the total that you calculate. It is not good to load the supply too close to its rated load. It shortens the life of the power supply. Also I have seen many, perhaps most, people when building a computer that spend many dollars on the other components, only to cheapen out on the power supply. It is a major mistake, in my humble opinion. Never mind how I figured that out:p:p, but it was many, many moons ago.

Happy trails,:)
Paul
 

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Is there a terminal command that will tell us the needed info for the power supply and what is in use etc..?
Although you've moved on with the video card purchase now, I did find this link that describes using dmidecode to get some information reported from BIOS (not sure about UEFI compatibility). My own BIOS would not accept the commands below for a power supply report only, but using dmidecode by itself gives a lot of other info on my system (just nothing about power supply which is probably why the "type 39" failed for me).

Run as root or use sudo:

Code:
dmidecode -t 39
or
Code:
dmidecode --type 39
And a quick test shows that dmidecode -t 39 does give me a response on a UEFI laptop. Go figure! :D
 

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[email protected] ~ $ su
Password:
brian-desktop brian # dmidecode -t 39
# dmidecode 3.0
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 2.8 present.

brian-desktop brian # dmidecode --type 39
# dmidecode 3.0
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 2.8 present.
 

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[email protected] ~ $ su
Password:
brian-desktop brian # dmidecode -t 39
# dmidecode 3.0
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 2.8 present.

brian-desktop brian # dmidecode --type 39
# dmidecode 3.0
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 2.8 present.
Yeah, that's what I got on my desktop (BIOS) too. Try dmidecode by itself though and have a peek. Lots of info there.
 

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brian-desktop brian # dmidecode
# dmidecode 3.0
Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs.
SMBIOS 2.8 present.
30 structures occupying 1686 bytes.
Table at 0x7E6F6000.

Handle 0x0000, DMI type 0, 24 bytes
BIOS Information
Vendor: American Megatrends Inc.
Version: P1.60
Release Date: 11/09/2015
Address: 0xF0000
Runtime Size: 64 kB
ROM Size: 9216 kB
Characteristics:
PCI is supported
BIOS is upgradeable
BIOS shadowing is allowed
Boot from CD is supported
Selectable boot is supported
BIOS ROM is socketed
EDD is supported
5.25"/1.2 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
3.5"/720 kB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
3.5"/2.88 MB floppy services are supported (int 13h)
Print screen service is supported (int 5h)
8042 keyboard services are supported (int 9h)
Serial services are supported (int 14h)
Printer services are supported (int 17h)
ACPI is supported
USB legacy is supported
BIOS boot specification is supported
Targeted content distribution is supported
UEFI is supported
BIOS Revision: 5.11

Handle 0x0001, DMI type 1, 27 bytes
System Information
Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Product Name: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Version: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
UUID: 03000200-0400-0500-0006-000700080009
Wake-up Type: Power Switch
SKU Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Family: To Be Filled By O.E.M.

Handle 0x0002, DMI type 2, 15 bytes
Base Board Information
Manufacturer: ASRock
Product Name: B150M Pro4
Version:
Serial Number: M80-61002100623
Asset Tag:
Features:
Board is a hosting board
Board is replaceable
Location In Chassis:
Chassis Handle: 0x0003
Type: Motherboard
Contained Object Handles: 0

Handle 0x0003, DMI type 3, 25 bytes
Chassis Information
Manufacturer: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Type: Desktop
Lock: Not Present
Version: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Boot-up State: Safe
Power Supply State: Safe
Thermal State: Safe
Security Status: None
OEM Information: 0x00000000
Height: Unspecified
Number Of Power Cords: 1
Contained Elements: 1
<OUT OF SPEC> (0)
SKU Number: To be filled by O.E.M.

Handle 0x0004, DMI type 9, 17 bytes
System Slot Information
Designation: Slot1
Type: x16 PCI Express
Current Usage: In Use
Length: Long
ID: 17
Characteristics:
3.3 V is provided
Opening is shared
PME signal is supported
Bus Address: 0000:01:00.0

Handle 0x0005, DMI type 9, 17 bytes
System Slot Information
Designation: Slot2
Type: x1 PCI Express
Current Usage: In Use
Length: Short
ID: 18
Characteristics:
3.3 V is provided
Opening is shared
PME signal is supported
Bus Address: 0000:1d:00.2

Handle 0x0006, DMI type 9, 17 bytes
System Slot Information
Designation: Slot3
Type: x1 PCI Express
Current Usage: In Use
Length: Short
ID: 19
Characteristics:
3.3 V is provided
Opening is shared
PME signal is supported
Bus Address: 0000:1d:00.3

Handle 0x0007, DMI type 9, 17 bytes
System Slot Information
Designation: Slot4
Type: x4 PCI Express
Current Usage: In Use
Length: Long
ID: 20
Characteristics:
3.3 V is provided
Opening is shared
PME signal is supported
Bus Address: 0000:1c:00.0

Handle 0x0008, DMI type 11, 5 bytes
OEM Strings
String 1: To Be Filled By O.E.M.

Handle 0x0009, DMI type 32, 20 bytes
System Boot Information
Status: No errors detected

Handle 0x000A, DMI type 40, 14 bytes
Additional Information 1
Referenced Handle: 0x00a1
Referenced Offset: 0x01
String: MORDOR
Value: 0x00000000

Handle 0x000B, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
Socket Designation: L1 Cache
Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1
Operational Mode: Write Back
Location: Internal
Installed Size: 64 kB
Maximum Size: 64 kB
Supported SRAM Types:
Synchronous
Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
Speed: Unknown
Error Correction Type: Parity
System Type: Data
Associativity: 8-way Set-associative

Handle 0x000C, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
Socket Designation: L1 Cache
Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 1
Operational Mode: Write Back
Location: Internal
Installed Size: 64 kB
Maximum Size: 64 kB
Supported SRAM Types:
Synchronous
Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
Speed: Unknown
Error Correction Type: Parity
System Type: Instruction
Associativity: 8-way Set-associative

Handle 0x000D, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
Socket Designation: L2 Cache
Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 2
Operational Mode: Write Back
Location: Internal
Installed Size: 512 kB
Maximum Size: 512 kB
Supported SRAM Types:
Synchronous
Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
Speed: Unknown
Error Correction Type: Single-bit ECC
System Type: Unified
Associativity: 4-way Set-associative

Handle 0x000E, DMI type 7, 19 bytes
Cache Information
Socket Designation: L3 Cache
Configuration: Enabled, Not Socketed, Level 3
Operational Mode: Write Back
Location: Internal
Installed Size: 3072 kB
Maximum Size: 3072 kB
Supported SRAM Types:
Synchronous
Installed SRAM Type: Synchronous
Speed: Unknown
Error Correction Type: Multi-bit ECC
System Type: Unified
Associativity: 12-way Set-associative

Handle 0x000F, DMI type 4, 48 bytes
Processor Information
Socket Designation: CPUSocket
Type: Central Processor
Family: Pentium
Manufacturer: Intel(R) Corporation
ID: E3 06 05 00 FF FB EB BF
Signature: Type 0, Family 6, Model 94, Stepping 3
Flags:
FPU (Floating-point unit on-chip)
VME (Virtual mode extension)
DE (Debugging extension)
PSE (Page size extension)
TSC (Time stamp counter)
MSR (Model specific registers)
PAE (Physical address extension)
MCE (Machine check exception)
CX8 (CMPXCHG8 instruction supported)
APIC (On-chip APIC hardware supported)
SEP (Fast system call)
MTRR (Memory type range registers)
PGE (Page global enable)
MCA (Machine check architecture)
CMOV (Conditional move instruction supported)
PAT (Page attribute table)
PSE-36 (36-bit page size extension)
CLFSH (CLFLUSH instruction supported)
DS (Debug store)
ACPI (ACPI supported)
MMX (MMX technology supported)
FXSR (FXSAVE and FXSTOR instructions supported)
SSE (Streaming SIMD extensions)
SSE2 (Streaming SIMD extensions 2)
SS (Self-snoop)
HTT (Multi-threading)
TM (Thermal monitor supported)
PBE (Pending break enabled)
Version: Intel(R) Pentium(R) CPU G4400 @ 3.30GHz
Voltage: 1.0 V
External Clock: 100 MHz
Max Speed: 5000 MHz
Current Speed: 3300 MHz
Status: Populated, Enabled
Upgrade: Other
L1 Cache Handle: 0x000C
L2 Cache Handle: 0x000D
L3 Cache Handle: 0x000E
Serial Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Part Number: To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Core Count: 2
Core Enabled: 2
Thread Count: 2
Characteristics:
64-bit capable
Multi-Core
Execute Protection
Enhanced Virtualization
Power/Performance Control

Handle 0x0010, DMI type 16, 23 bytes
Physical Memory Array
Location: System Board Or Motherboard
Use: System Memory
Error Correction Type: None
Maximum Capacity: 64 GB
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Number Of Devices: 4

Handle 0x0011, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0010
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 8192 MB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: ChannelA-DIMM0
Bank Locator: BANK 0
Type: DDR4
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 2133 MHz
Manufacturer: Kingston
Serial Number: 23321813
Asset Tag: 9876543210
Part Number: 9905625-030.A00G
Rank: 2
Configured Clock Speed: 2133 MHz
Minimum Voltage: Unknown
Maximum Voltage: Unknown
Configured Voltage: 1.2 V

Handle 0x0012, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0010
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: 64 bits
Data Width: 64 bits
Size: 8192 MB
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: ChannelA-DIMM1
Bank Locator: BANK 1
Type: DDR4
Type Detail: Synchronous
Speed: 2133 MHz
Manufacturer: Kingston
Serial Number: 15203317
Asset Tag: 9876543210
Part Number: 9905678-043.A00G
Rank: 1
Configured Clock Speed: 2133 MHz
Minimum Voltage: Unknown
Maximum Voltage: Unknown
Configured Voltage: 1.2 V

Handle 0x0013, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0010
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: Unknown
Data Width: Unknown
Size: No Module Installed
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: ChannelB-DIMM0
Bank Locator: BANK 2
Type: Unknown
Type Detail: None
Speed: Unknown
Manufacturer: Not Specified
Serial Number: Not Specified
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: Not Specified
Rank: Unknown
Configured Clock Speed: Unknown
Minimum Voltage: Unknown
Maximum Voltage: Unknown
Configured Voltage: Unknown

Handle 0x0014, DMI type 17, 40 bytes
Memory Device
Array Handle: 0x0010
Error Information Handle: Not Provided
Total Width: Unknown
Data Width: Unknown
Size: No Module Installed
Form Factor: DIMM
Set: None
Locator: ChannelB-DIMM1
Bank Locator: BANK 3
Type: Unknown
Type Detail: None
Speed: Unknown
Manufacturer: Not Specified
Serial Number: Not Specified
Asset Tag: Not Specified
Part Number: Not Specified
Rank: Unknown
Configured Clock Speed: Unknown
Minimum Voltage: Unknown
Maximum Voltage: Unknown
Configured Voltage: Unknown

Handle 0x0015, DMI type 19, 31 bytes
Memory Array Mapped Address
Starting Address: 0x00000000000
Ending Address: 0x003FFFFFFFF
Range Size: 16 GB
Physical Array Handle: 0x0010
Partition Width: 2

Handle 0x0016, DMI type 20, 35 bytes
Memory Device Mapped Address
Starting Address: 0x00000000000
Ending Address: 0x001FFFFFFFF
Range Size: 8 GB
Physical Device Handle: 0x0011
Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0015
Partition Row Position: 1
Interleave Position: 1
Interleaved Data Depth: 1

Handle 0x0017, DMI type 20, 35 bytes
Memory Device Mapped Address
Starting Address: 0x00200000000
Ending Address: 0x003FFFFFFFF
Range Size: 8 GB
Physical Device Handle: 0x0012
Memory Array Mapped Address Handle: 0x0015
Partition Row Position: 1
Interleave Position: 1
Interleaved Data Depth: 1

Handle 0x0018, DMI type 130, 20 bytes
OEM-specific Type
Header and Data:
82 14 18 00 24 41 4D 54 00 00 00 00 00 A5 AF 02
C0 00 00 00

Handle 0x0019, DMI type 131, 64 bytes
OEM-specific Type
Header and Data:
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Handle 0x001A, DMI type 136, 6 bytes
OEM-specific Type
Header and Data:
88 06 1A 00 00 00

Handle 0x001B, DMI type 14, 8 bytes
Group Associations
Name: $MEI
Items: 1
0x0000 (<OUT OF SPEC>)

Handle 0x001C, DMI type 219, 81 bytes
OEM-specific Type
Header and Data:
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00
Strings:
MEI1
MEI2
MEI3

Handle 0x001D, DMI type 127, 4 bytes
End Of Table

brian-desktop brian #

I will peruse that at my leisure......and store it as well.
Handy command !
 

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Just to round the whole thing off.......

I opted to buy....
Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GT 710 2GB PCIe Video Card DDR3 HDMI DVI VGA Low Profile Heatsink Silent (~GV-N710D3-2GL)

...it arrived yesterday, and I then looked around a few you tuve vids to get an idea of just how this is fitted etc...


The hardware people just love to muddy the waters....drag red herrings everywhere...

Step 1...take side off pc case.

Step 2 plug the card in and secure it where it pokes through the back of the case with a screw.

Step3. plug the monitor leads into the new graphics card...reconnect power cables etc etc, and turn the pc on

then......menu...driver manager......click to install the nvidia driver....nvidia 375.66-OubuntuO

(future experience may have me install the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau open source driver....but for now all is rather cool)

Enjoy being able to actually READ the print on the second screen !!!!....with out squinting and moving closer and closer to that screen !

No more squiggly lines across the screen....images appear to load quicker....

The whole process of fitting the graphics card took approx 5 minutes

Waiting for the driver to download and install in driver manager took longer.
 

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Thanks Paul.

...on the subject of those red herrings....

I now find that the pc boots with a blank screen......no sign of life until about 25 seconds into the procedure, when the monitors turn on and then my desktop appears !

oh well...back to the drawing board !

Brian
 

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Would I be near the money in thinking....If i was to pull the monitor connection cords off the graphics card connections....and reconnect them to the original connections......then boot...select f11...get into setup....in there somewhere should be some settings for the new card (i hope)....and maybe alter something that will turn the graphics card "on" right from the point where I hit the 'start' button...?

hope this make sense

Brian
 

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Would I be near the money in thinking....If i was to pull the monitor connection cords off the graphics card connections....and reconnect them to the original connections......then boot...select f11...get into setup....in there somewhere should be some settings for the new card (i hope)....and maybe alter something that will turn the graphics card "on" right from the point where I hit the 'start' button...?

hope this make sense

Brian
Definitely worth a look in your settings... there used to often be a selection between the onboard video versus a separate video card. I don't think it likely to detect what model it is, and the card specs, etc.

Glad you've got it up and running... and can see the improvement in quality. Loss of the splash screen is probably worth the trade off if you can't get it restored.
 


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