Whelp, i'm done with windows for good, unless i REALLY have to use it.

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I like comments that state facts and cite sources so we can read all the details and learn more for ourselves.

I dislike comments that state opinions as if they were facts, use mean, pejorative nicknames instead of their proper names, or abuse those who post comments that differ from one's own point of view. If you post an opinion, say so by qualifying it accordingly, "I believe that ..." or "In my opinion ..."

I know people who work very hard at those companies; the same companies that others here like to bash with nasty, abusive comments. Like everyone, the people I know have conflicting motivations that they must juggle and balance to do their jobs. What is important to say here is that the people that I know at those companies are good, hardworking, decent people who care. They want others to like and use their companies' products and have a good experience with them.

Bash away, but do it with facts. Tell us what you do not like and why you do not like them and how it works better after you switched to something else. Support what you like with your dollars and actions, not by tearing down the competition with unsubstantiated abuse.
 


I believe that it is a distinct possibility that this site is hosted on one of these nation's servers.
It is some euro or american university server.
I like comments that state facts and cite sources so we can read all the details and learn more for ourselves.
Unfortunately i don't have time to record every windows error/dysfunctionality i notice, but i agree with the spirit of your post.

I personally don't think any of should feel the need to be sensitive about bashing software, as long as it based on genuine facts. I don't see a huge difference between windows and malware, but that is just my opinion...turning off the wifi of a different partition that boots an "enemy operating system" is something that a virus might do.

And no, I COULDN'T DISABLE FAST BOOT W/OUT IT BEING SWITCHED BACK ON LATER!
 
I dislike comments that state opinions as if they were facts, use mean, pejorative nicknames instead of their proper names, or abuse those who post comments that differ from one's own point of view. If you post an opinion, say so by qualifying it accordingly, "I believe that ..." or "In my opinion ..."
Exactly. Instead of someone calling(throwing names) Windows cancerous they could have shared facts why it is that they think Windows is invasive, so here's the actual proof why Windows 11 is invasive by someone who did a Wireshark capture of a clean Windows 11 install.
 
Exactly. Instead of someone calling(throwing names) Windows cancerous they could have shared facts why it is that they think Windows is invasive, so here's the actual proof why Windows 11 is invasive by someone who did a Wireshark capture of a clean Windows 11 install.
Looks like you gotta have damn good internet to cope with all that win11 telemetry! Yuck!
 
Exactly. Instead of someone calling(throwing names) Windows cancerous they could have shared facts why it is that they think Windows is invasive, so here's the actual proof why Windows 11 is invasive by someone who did a Wireshark capture of a clean Windows 11 install.
Yeah, okay, I was tempted to post this myself, however since I didn't confirm it myself, I did not do it. And confirming it would be pretty easy.
 
but don't you think it's a stretch to think that it would lead to litigation in this context?

No - where Brian @Condobloke and I and a half a dozen other members here came from, they were sued by a software company that makes anti-malware apps, because a senior staff member there wrote a bad review on one of their products.

They took the hat around members to raise funds for their legal defence, and court proceedings went on for over a year.

Wiz
 
""but don't you think it's a stretch to think that it would lead to litigation in this context?""

Wiz and I have both seen/experienced the "feel" of that when it happens to a forum.

Not good. Certainly not a 'stretch'
 
Speaking strictly about the legal aspects:

We're in the US (I'm pretty sure) where you can sue for pretty much anything.

That doesn't mean the suit has merit and that you'll win - but you can start proceedings and the defendant is obligated to pay to defend themselves in court. In the end, you might get that money back (in theory). Getting both the judge to make the plaintiff pay your legal fees and then actually collecting those fees are two distinctly separate things.
 
Speaking strictly about the legal aspects:

We're in the US (I'm pretty sure) where you can sue for pretty much anything.

That doesn't mean the suit has merit and that you'll win - but you can start proceedings and the defendant is obligated to pay to defend themselves in court. In the end, you might get that money back (in theory). Getting both the judge to make the plaintiff pay your legal fees and then actually collecting those fees are two distinctly separate things.
So for all intents and purposes, the criminal justice system un the U.S. can be used as a hammer to beat down on anyone who can't afford litigation?

How anti-democratic...
 
How anti-democratic...

No politics, thanks, Beef.

The same sort of thing can happen in the UK, in Australia, and many other countries.

It may apply in your country and you just have no experience of it.

So let's just drop it.

TIA

Wizard
 
Well, to put MY two-penn'orth in....

Although I take @BigBadBeef 's point about member's opinions not being representative of those of the staff, it has to be remembered that many fora have in the past been forced to close entirely due to the "stubborn" attitude of just a few members (thus making those fora henceforth inaccessible to their many other members).

I've been just as guilty of "bashing" Windows myself on occasion in the past. I haven't used it for almost a decade, and yes; reading about some of Microsoft's more "questionable" practices can have a tendency to get the blood pounding, and make you see red. But since being invited to join the staff - and moderate on - at least two other fora, you soon learn to see things from both sides of the coin. If you've never been in this position, you can't be expected to understand just how many other individuals you inconvenience with your own thoughtless posting.......just because you insist on 'upholding' that 'freedom of speech' we value so highly here in the West.

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Some members have an unfortunate tendency - not just here, but on countless other fora - to assume that frequent posting, and a subsequent high post count, affords them some kind of "immunity" to the rules that all fora have. They believe it enables them to say whatever they like.....and damn the consequences (because it won't backfire on them, oh NO!!)

Litigation does very definitely exist on-line.....and it's every bit as expensive - and hard to deal with - as its real-world counterpart. The easiest defence against this happening is simply to "engage brain before opening mouth" (or tinkling the keys).....and that way, your favourite on-line 'watering-holes' do at least have a fighting chance of continuing to exist.

Moderators and Admin staff are there for a reason, much though some may dislike them.


Mike. ;)
 
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I came to Linux.org as a long time member and refugee from another technical forum where abuse and drama are entrenched in the culture there. Even the moderators join in. Sometimes it is the only resource for answers I need, and I try to contribute as my way of "paying it back." I do not like it there, and frequently question my own ethics and integrity for remaining active on a forum that allows abusive posts and effectively discourages certain people from joining or staying. Linux.org has been a welcome relief to the chaos there.

When I see mean-spirited nicknames and unsubstantiated hateful comments about anything on Linux.org, it reminds me of that other forum where posts can be highly abusive, vulgar, mean, and nasty. I would not want to see Linux.org evolve in that direction. That is why such comments bother me, and why I appreciate the moderators here.
 
Although I take @BigBadBeef 's point about member's opinions not being representative of those of the staff, it has to be remembered that many fora have in the past been forced to close entirely due to the "stubborn" attitude of just a few members (thus making those fora henceforth inaccessible to their many other members
I look at it like: "if anyone is responsible, then everyone's responsible" in terms of online chat spaces, i said before and ive said it again because all my abusive online interactions have taught me this. Everyone online is a content moderator.

My position is still that im fine with doing away with emotive bashing, and as the thread creator im fine with it closing.
 
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OK I will throw in my two-pennyworth
Apart from re-installing and repairing windows set-ups for friends and family and having a W7 installation on one machine for visitors to use, it's been a good many years since I used it myself, I go back to the day when abuse of a newbie was almost mandatory on most forums, not the least, various Linux forums, and sorry to say on several that is still the case, the elitism of many of the FOSS forums is also prominent in both of some mac and windows forums, of all the GNU-Linux forums I have used over the years, this one is probably the least offensive I have seen,
 
OK I will throw in my two-pennyworth
Apart from re-installing and repairing windows set-ups for friends and family and having a W7 installation on one machine for visitors to use, it's been a good many years since I used it myself, I go back to the day when abuse of a newbie was almost mandatory on most forums, not the least, various Linux forums, and sorry to say on several that is still the case, the elitism of many of the FOSS forums is also prominent in both of some mac and windows forums, of all the GNU-Linux forums I have used over the years, this one is probably the least offensive I have seen,
Its like a lot of computer specialists think people "should know", but when they assert that it's just an open display of ignorance and lack of empathy.
 
My position is still that im fine with doing away with emotive bashing, and as the thread creator im fine with it closing.

I concur. It has run its course and anything else is likely to just be people beating a dead horse.
 
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