I had no idea - though I was aware that the (at least usually) I don't lose anything that I've typed here.
Thanks for pointing that out.
What's With Cloudflare?
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Thanks for pointing that out.
Try switching "Browser Privacy" from "Strict" to "Standard"?
Try disabling your extensions one by one, I once had an extension that caused a problem with an endless loop on gitlab.com.
I just installed Firefox and didn't get the loop problem so it's either a specific setting or may try switching the location your vpn is set to and if that doesn't help disabling to see if that makes a difference and if that doesn't work try setting Firefox back to defaults and if that doesn't help then I don't know what will.
I only have the standard Firefox in the repo, so the latter.
Indeed. It's largely just janitorial work, though it does offer a different perspective. Sometimes, it's not a very good perspective. There are times when you have to decide to not say anything. So, I'll word the following carefully.
In this case, I can understand that folks are annoyed or frustrated. I'm not sure why they'd gripe about it more than once. Repeating it isn't going to change anything. I get that it's different, but it's really not that onerous a task. I'm no different. I face the same entry screen where CloudFlare fondles my bits. I'm not entitled to a barrier-free entry. Heck, I'm not even entitled to access the site. I do so at the owner's permission and accept that that permission may be revoked at any time.
Yeah, some folks have to pick a different browser. There are a bunch of 'em that work just fine. If you stand out as unusual, that's when CloudFlare doesn't like you. So, yeah, if you want to access the site, you'll need to change that. You really only need to do so for this site. You can still use your browser elsewhere (though all sorts of sites sit behind CF's shields).
It seems these burdens are too much for some folk. Things will change when they change, if they change.
If I have to change my workflow (which I really haven't), then I'll do so. It's not too hard. Until things change, it's maybe 30 seconds of waiting each time you visit the site. If you browse slowly, you may need to do so more than once per visit. Personally, I'm not in that much of a rush. While I value my time, it's not a long time.
This is also cheaper for Rob. All those bots and spammers eat up bandwidth (and disk space). So, he's hopefully even saving a few bucks. (CloudFlare is free for a bunch of uses, which is one of the reasons they now control a bunch of the web - about 20%.)
Yup. The ESR vesion likely looks like an old (and unsupported) version of Firefox. Bots will not be using the latest versions of the software, just the most recent version that was available when the software was compiled.
So, you look like someone using an old and unsupported browser - a security risk.
I'm not saying they're correct, I'm saying why ESR might appear to be a problem to them.
It will also depend on other factors, such as where you're located or if you're using a known VPN IP address, etc...
They check a number of factors. The factors they check are not made public but it will also include things like if you're blocking JavaScript and stuff like that. A bot wouldn't load JavaScript as it isn't necessary and they want to run through their lists of sites quickly and with as little bandwidth as possible.
For now, we have the shields up to prevent abuse like the large-scale bandwidth hogs that try to spam the site.
This is not the first time. The shields will likely go down at some point. At least that is what has happened every time before.
I can not say when that will happen because I do not know when that will happen. That's not something that I control.
@KGIII :-
Most of the time, I'm in Opera. This answers the challenges correctly, and passes me through.
Just occasionally, however - for a change! - I'll use Pale Moon for general browsing, and for YouTube and/or NetFlix I'll watch via 'windowed' webapp from my 'portable' Chrome. Most Puppians wouldn't bother with all this messing-around, but I like to use some of that very un-Puppy-like 32GB of RAM I have. It's not there for ornamentation.....it's there to be used.
Pale Moon has always correctly answered the CF challenge posed here by Linux.org, though occasionally I will have to answer the challenge a second time. Not always. The only one that's ever given me grief is BleepingComputer. I guess Grinler (Lawrence Abrams) must have the settings cranked up a notch higher.....
(sigh...)
Most of the time, though - as I've said - I'm in Opera. It's a moot point, TBH. I've got multiple workarounds available. If I need to, I'll use 'em.
Mike.
Most of the time, I'm in Opera. This answers the challenges correctly, and passes me through.
Just occasionally, however - for a change! - I'll use Pale Moon for general browsing, and for YouTube and/or NetFlix I'll watch via 'windowed' webapp from my 'portable' Chrome. Most Puppians wouldn't bother with all this messing-around, but I like to use some of that very un-Puppy-like 32GB of RAM I have. It's not there for ornamentation.....it's there to be used.
Pale Moon has always correctly answered the CF challenge posed here by Linux.org, though occasionally I will have to answer the challenge a second time. Not always. The only one that's ever given me grief is BleepingComputer. I guess Grinler (Lawrence Abrams) must have the settings cranked up a notch higher.....
(sigh...)
Most of the time, though - as I've said - I'm in Opera. It's a moot point, TBH. I've got multiple workarounds available. If I need to, I'll use 'em.
Mike.
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Part of this page may be of interest, as it explains it more than I was willing to type.
i swear there used to be an extension that claimed would help you through the CloudFlare verification process - and that it was from CF themselves but that appears to not be current. It might also be a figment of my imagination!
i swear there used to be an extension that claimed would help you through the CloudFlare verification process - and that it was from CF themselves but that appears to not be current. It might also be a figment of my imagination!
@KGIII :-
Given the number of different methods described in that article - which CloudFlare uses to detect 'malicious' behaviour - it's a wonder that Linux users don't get blocked more often.
You think about it. Many Linux users will re-boot into a different OS more than once a day, yet are accessing the same web-sites, often from the same browser, using the same IP address, and frequently running on the same hardware...
If THAT doesn't look 'suspicious' to CF, then I don't know what would..!!
Mike.
Given the number of different methods described in that article - which CloudFlare uses to detect 'malicious' behaviour - it's a wonder that Linux users don't get blocked more often.
You think about it. Many Linux users will re-boot into a different OS more than once a day, yet are accessing the same web-sites, often from the same browser, using the same IP address, and frequently running on the same hardware...
If THAT doesn't look 'suspicious' to CF, then I don't know what would..!!
Mike.
They see a lot of traffic and have a lot of data to work from. They are also certainly using Linux in-house.
But, yeah, it could happen a lot more often. I often say that I'm not made when tech breaks. Instead, because I understand how it works, I'm amazed that it's not broken.
I have no control over any of that stuff but I hope folks can see the why and the how so that they can reach their own understanding. Yeah, it's annoying - but that's all I see it as. It just means I have to tick a box when I visit (unless I've visited very recently). I've been fortunate in that it doesn't ask me to do any work like a CAPTCHA. I'd be mildly annoyed if I had to do that each time but I don't think it'd do more than mildly annoy me.
I'm pretty accepting of changes like these. There are far more important things in my life and those few seconds more wouldn't bug me all that much.
I could see being more annoyed if I had to do the CAPTCHA thing a half-dozen times each visit! LOL But, I'd likely just gripe once and move on. It is what it is.
In any system like this, there are going to be false positives. It's gonna happen. It's not going to be perfect.
Sounds like your experience is quite a bit worse than mine is. Let me ask: what are your DNS server IPs?
Because when I switched to Cloudflare, things got much better for me:
1.0.0.3
1.1.1.3
Also, I saved linux.org as a Vivaldi Webapp. I believe that also helped. However, not near as much as the day that I switched to the above Cloudflare IPs!
Finally, per an earlier suggestion, I don't always close this site.
It's been days since I had to check a Cloudflare checkbox.
I hope that this helps.
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Sounds like your experience is quite a bit worse than mine is. Let me ask: what are your DNS server IPs?
Because when I switched to Cloudflare, things got much better for me:
1.0.0.3
1.1.1.3
Also, I saved linux.org as a Vivaldi Webapp. I believe that also helped. However, not near as much as the day that I switched to the above Cloudflare IPs!
Finally, per an earlier suggestion, I don't always close this site.
It's been days since I had to check a Cloudflare checkbox.
I hope that this helps.
I don't have cloudfail DNS...mine is encrypted and has been for at least 5 years.
I have Firefox...Google Chrome...Brave and now using Vivaldi...all have cloudfail problems...it was only when cloudfail was added to this site the problems started.
Sometimes on Vivaldi I'll go strait to the site...other times I have to tick the box a few times...it just makes me not come on the site as often.
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