Using Raspberry Pi 4 as a daily driver

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raspbians not a bad option because its optmized for the pi, i find it runs very smooth on raspbian
Manjaro works fine too. I'll move back to raspbian when they release an official 64bit version. But 4GB is completely enough, I don't know why I wasted money for an 8GB one. Even after opening multiple tabs on chromium, running commands of terminal, it still uses 1.5gigs. I wish I had bought a pi400
 


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Manjaro works fine too. I'll move back to raspbian when they release an official 64bit version. But 4GB is completely enough, I don't know why I wasted money for an 8GB one. Even after opening multiple tabs on chromium, running commands of terminal, it still uses 1.5gigs. I wish I had bought a pi400
you could try diet pi thats a lighter Os
 
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I found raspbian runs really well on raspberry pi 4
You r right. Raspbian devs have released 64bit version. installed it yesterday on RP4. works smoothly than manjaro KDE Plasma.

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I use the 4gb version with dual monitors, and I seem to be spending more and more time on it, rather than the other systems that I have on the desktop here. I have it connected to port 2 of a 4 port KVMA switch. I don't seem to be using the other 3 ports very much lately. Funny thing about that!

I understand that the 64 bit version of the Pi Operating system is out of Beta now. If you intend to use the 8gb Pi 4B, I would recommend loading the 64 bit system, so that you can use all 8GB of ram without having to do software gymnastics.

Happy Trails
Paul:)
P.S. check out Magpi Magazine (currently 115 issues), and Hackspace magazine (currently 51 issues). Both are available for FREE download online. Mucho good information. They also have many informative books available for free download.:cool:

PPSS.
Magpi #115 (March 2022) page 8, "Raspberry Pi OS 64 bit now widely available".:cool::cool::cool:
 
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I've got the Pi400 and the rp4B. These are amazing boards and can easily do daily duty as a desktop. I'm running RasBullseye 64 bit -- on SSD and pen drive. The SSD speed is amazing and runs very smooth. I've done surfing, downloaded torrents (Linux distros), watched movies and done email with little lag compared to my desktop motherboard. The PI shines when it comes to power consumption. For internet surfing in a remote cabin or on a sailboat, the Pi represents perhaps the biggest bang for the buck -- maybe in the world.

On the downside, sometimes oddball issues are encountered like "controller has not released bits". When this quirkiness shows up, you'll spend some time on the learning curve. :-(

My one significant complaint is the lack of apps in ARM64. For that reason, I'll probably migrate to a hotrod X86 SBC that is Linux compatible but that has lower power requirements than a regular desktop. And perhaps 2x or 3x performance increase over the PI. Looks like a lot of SBC's are out there -- far more than I ever knew.
 
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This is why I moved back to Manjaro so I can get access to AUR. Performance of RP4 is enough for me to do my daily tasks.

;)

Interesting. I've never heard of AUR. Gotta go investigate now .....
 

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Lack of packages?
I use the Debian repos, Synaptic shows 67003 packages available.
I have around a couple dozen apps that I either downloaded from git or installed using flatpak.
I also have a couple of Appimages, Simplenotes and Obsidian. Other than these everything is from the Debian repos and a couple third party repos that I have added.

Code:
flatpak list
Name                                              Application ID                                  Version                Branch                Installation
Flatseal                                          com.github.tchx84.Flatseal                      1.7.5                  stable                system
Fluffychat                                        im.fluffychat.Fluffychat                        1.3.0                  stable                system
FreeTube                                          io.freetubeapp.FreeTube                         0.16.0 Beta            stable                system
LibreWolf                                         io.gitlab.librewolf-community                   98.0-1                 stable                system
Freedesktop Platform                              org.freedesktop.Platform                        21.08.11               21.08                 system
Mesa                                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default             21.3.6                 21.08                 system
ffmpeg-full                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.ffmpeg-full                                   21.08                 system
GNOME Application Platform version 41             org.gnome.Platform                                                     41                    system
KDE Application Platform                          org.kde.Platform                                                       5.15-21.08            system
Okular                                            org.kde.okular                                  21.12.3                stable                system
Telegram Desktop                                  org.telegram.desktop                            3.6                    stable                system
Telegram Desktop Webview Add-on                   org.telegram.desktop.webview                    2.34.6                 stable                system
VLC                                               org.videolan.VLC                                3.0.17                 stable                system

Code:
aptitude search ?obsolete
i   com.github.johnfactotum.foliate                                                - Simple and modern eBook viewer                                                       
i   croc                                                                           - A simple, secure, and fast way to transfer data.                                     
i   electron-fiddle                                                                - The easiest way to get started with Electron                                         
i   opensnitch                                                                     - GNU/Linux firewall application                                                       
i   pi-apps-1caf0097                                                               - Dummy package created by pi-apps to install dependencies for the 'CloudBuddy' app    
i   pi-apps-7144246a                                                               - Dummy package created by pi-apps to install dependencies for the 'Pi Power Tools' app
i   python3-opensnitch-ui                                                          - opensnitch application firewall GUI                                                  
i   simple-motd                                                                    - Simple MOTD for Debian-based desktops and terminals                                  
i   turbowarp-desktop                                                              - Mod of Scratch with a compiler and more features.                                    
i   ulauncher                                                                      - Application launcher for Linux                                                       
i   webapp-manager                                                                 - Web Application Manager                                                              
i   webcord                                                                        - A Discord and Fosscord client made with the Electron API.

My sources.lists
Code:
inxi -r
Repos:
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
    1: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
    2: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
    3: deb https://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/ buildd-unstable main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/github-cli.list
    1: deb [arch=arm64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/githubcli-archive-keyring.gpg] https://cli.github.com/packages stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list
    1: deb https://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ buster main
    2: deb https://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ bullseye main
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/rpirepo.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/syncthing.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/syncthing-archive-keyring.gpg] https://apt.syncthing.net/ syncthing stable
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vivaldi.list
    1: deb [arch=arm64] https://repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb/ stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/volian-archive-scar-unstable.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64,arm64,armhf] http://deb.volian.org/volian/ scar main
 
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Lack of packages?
I use the Debian repos, Synaptic shows 67003 packages available.
I have around a couple dozen apps that I either downloaded from git or installed using flatpak.
I also have a couple of Appimages, Simplenotes and Obsidian. Other than these everything is from the Debian repos and a couple third party repos that I have added.

Code:
flatpak list
Name                                              Application ID                                  Version                Branch                Installation
Flatseal                                          com.github.tchx84.Flatseal                      1.7.5                  stable                system
Fluffychat                                        im.fluffychat.Fluffychat                        1.3.0                  stable                system
FreeTube                                          io.freetubeapp.FreeTube                         0.16.0 Beta            stable                system
LibreWolf                                         io.gitlab.librewolf-community                   98.0-1                 stable                system
Freedesktop Platform                              org.freedesktop.Platform                        21.08.11               21.08                 system
Mesa                                              org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.default             21.3.6                 21.08                 system
ffmpeg-full                                       org.freedesktop.Platform.ffmpeg-full                                   21.08                 system
GNOME Application Platform version 41             org.gnome.Platform                                                     41                    system
KDE Application Platform                          org.kde.Platform                                                       5.15-21.08            system
Okular                                            org.kde.okular                                  21.12.3                stable                system
Telegram Desktop                                  org.telegram.desktop                            3.6                    stable                system
Telegram Desktop Webview Add-on                   org.telegram.desktop.webview                    2.34.6                 stable                system
VLC                                               org.videolan.VLC                                3.0.17                 stable                system

Code:
aptitude search ?obsolete
i   com.github.johnfactotum.foliate                                                - Simple and modern eBook viewer                                                      
i   croc                                                                           - A simple, secure, and fast way to transfer data.                                    
i   electron-fiddle                                                                - The easiest way to get started with Electron                                        
i   opensnitch                                                                     - GNU/Linux firewall application                                                      
i   pi-apps-1caf0097                                                               - Dummy package created by pi-apps to install dependencies for the 'CloudBuddy' app   
i   pi-apps-7144246a                                                               - Dummy package created by pi-apps to install dependencies for the 'Pi Power Tools' app
i   python3-opensnitch-ui                                                          - opensnitch application firewall GUI                                                 
i   simple-motd                                                                    - Simple MOTD for Debian-based desktops and terminals                                 
i   turbowarp-desktop                                                              - Mod of Scratch with a compiler and more features.                                   
i   ulauncher                                                                      - Application launcher for Linux                                                      
i   webapp-manager                                                                 - Web Application Manager                                                             
i   webcord                                                                        - A Discord and Fosscord client made with the Electron API.

My sources.lists
Code:
inxi -r
Repos:
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
    1: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free
    2: deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free
    3: deb https://incoming.debian.org/debian-buildd/ buildd-unstable main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/github-cli.list
    1: deb [arch=arm64 signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/githubcli-archive-keyring.gpg] https://cli.github.com/packages stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/raspi.list
    1: deb https://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ buster main
    2: deb https://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ bullseye main
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/rpirepo.list
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/syncthing.list
    1: deb [signed-by=/usr/share/keyrings/syncthing-archive-keyring.gpg] https://apt.syncthing.net/ syncthing stable
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vivaldi.list
    1: deb [arch=arm64] https://repo.vivaldi.com/stable/deb/ stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/volian-archive-scar-unstable.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64,arm64,armhf] http://deb.volian.org/volian/ scar main
yeah but I like to install directly from repos, instead of relying on flatpaks. As an example, there isn't telegram client in debian aarch64 repository, so I had to use either flatpak or snap.
Manjaro has everything.
 

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Telegram is in the Debian repos:
policy telegram-desktop
telegram-desktop:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: 3.6.1+ds-1
Version table:
3.6.1+ds-1 500
500 https://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main arm64 Packages
 

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That is why I am using the Debian Unstable repos.
Telegram is at 3.6.1 in the repo and on flatpak
 

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I haven't used Raspberry Pi OS in a while but I have used it as my daily driver on my Raspberry Pi 4B (4GB) for a few months around the 2019. It's been a while so I'm wondering if Raspberry Pi OS is the best choice still. Back then I did have some issues with video streaming on a 1080P HD TV.
 
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I haven't used Raspberry Pi OS in a while but I have used it as my daily driver on my Raspberry Pi 4B (4GB) for a few months around the 2019. It's been a while so I'm wondering if Raspberry Pi OS is the best choice still. Back then I did have some issues with video streaming on a 1080P HD TV.
It is good, but I didn't have much luck with it (most people have positive experience with it though). I personally like Manjaro.
 

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The newest version of rpios based on Debian Bullseye works great.
 

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I use 64bit bullseye on rpi400, silent and cool, but recently after the newest kernel update It got hot. from 35°C when idle to 45-48°C . Nothing jumps in Htop, no recent apps installed. Has anybody a clue why? I love that setup, stopped using my laptop at home, for browsing and some productivity.
 

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I use 64bit bullseye on rpi400, silent and cool, but recently after the newest kernel update It got hot. from 35°C when idle to 45-48°C . Nothing jumps in Htop, no recent apps installed. Has anybody a clue why? I love that setup, stopped using my laptop at home, for browsing and some productivity.
Welcome to the group! I use the pi4b 4gb, so I'm afraid that I have no clue. Sorry, mate.:(
 
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I've got the Pi400 and the rp4B. These are amazing boards and can easily do daily duty as a desktop. I'm running RasBullseye 64 bit -- on SSD and pen drive. The SSD speed is amazing and runs very smooth. I've done surfing, downloaded torrents (Linux distros), watched movies and done email with little lag compared to my desktop motherboard. The PI shines when it comes to power consumption. For internet surfing in a remote cabin or on a sailboat, the Pi represents perhaps the biggest bang for the buck -- maybe in the world.

On the downside, sometimes oddball issues are encountered like "controller has not released bits". When this quirkiness shows up, you'll spend some time on the learning curve. :-(

My one significant complaint is the lack of apps in ARM64. For that reason, I'll probably migrate to a hotrod X86 SBC that is Linux compatible but that has lower power requirements than a regular desktop. And perhaps 2x or 3x performance increase over the PI. Looks like a lot of SBC's are out there -- far more than I ever knew.
I get that controller has not released bits on my newest Pi 4 8GB model, it does not seem to cause any issues,
is there a way to fix this.
 
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