U.S. Govt. Apps Bundled Russian Code With Ties to Mobile Malware Developer

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Since before the Cold War, the Russians have been great at spying. From Peter The Great (who often traveled incognito to learn about things like ship building) to even Catherine The Great's industrial espionage... Then, throughout the cold war... Hell, Stalin knew all about the Manhattan Project - and that was during a time of war.

They're pretty good at it. They're also historically pretty good at finding spies.
 

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It does not surprise me at this point in time. I just shake my head at times at how gullible people are.
 

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It's not only Russia that does the spying, also Israel, China and others. Also some countries even spy on their own allies, but I will leave it at that or else will turn political.
 
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An app for "achievers"??? How gullible would you have to be to download that. Even though i believe we are all kinda stupid, the app is pretty much just targeting exactly these kinds of people:

Since before the Cold War, the Russians have been great at spying.
But if they were exceptionally good at spying, then you wouldn't know that they are "good" at spying...
 

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But if they were exceptionally good at spying, then you wouldn't know that they are "good" at spying...

Nah...

See, they've unclassified paperwork and we've found out about things decades later, or even found out (like in the case of UK's intelligence which had five or more of 'em at the same time), etc...

You find out after the damage is done, or catch 'em in the act after they've done a whole lot of damage.

Given how much we do know (which is quite a lot), they're pretty darned good at it.

We had all sorts of issues trying to spy on 'em. That's one of the reasons that prompted Power's U-2 flight and satellites.

I think we can safely use what we know to make broad historical statements. This was made easier to demonstrate when the USSR collapsed.

And, given how many stories we get like this, I dare say they're still pretty good at it.
 

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Nah...

See, they've unclassified paperwork and we've found out about things decades later, or even found out (like in the case of UK's intelligence which had five or more of 'em at the same time), etc...

You find out after the damage is done, or catch 'em in the act after they've done a whole lot of damage.

Given how much we do know (which is quite a lot), they're pretty darned good at it.

We had all sorts of issues trying to spy on 'em. That's one of the reasons that prompted Power's U-2 flight and satellites.

I think we can safely use what we know to make broad historical statements. This was made easier to demonstrate when the USSR collapsed.

And, given how many stories we get like this, I dare say they're still pretty good at it.
What i'm saying is that i'm "great" at spying: i still frequent political websites without any intention of getting involved in the discussion. Saying that Russians are "great at spying since..." is an automatic over-simplification of things that have happened, sometimes those kinds of generalizations are helpful but that article that was posted is certainly better. The folks who wrote that actually went to some effort to spy on people...

The next time i talk to a Russian, i'm TOTALLY going to ask them if they are a spy...JUST KIDDING...spying 101: first order of business is that if you are spying on someone, it's better not to tell them about it ;)
 

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spying 101: first order of business is that if you are spying on someone, it's better not to tell them about it

I'd disagree and say we have ample information to make generalized statements. We have mountains of evidence.

One of the things you seem to not understand is that this very example is a success. Success isn't going forever without getting caught. Success is getting information you didn't previously have. That and we have entire bodies of history open for public scrutiny.

Just 'cause they get caught some period down the line isn't really material. What is material is all the stuff they get away with. Even today, the hacks are coming out of Russia.

It's my story and I'm stickin' with it.
 

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I'd disagree and say we have ample information to make generalized statements. We have mountains of evidence.

One of the things you seem to not understand is that this very example is a success. Success isn't going forever without getting caught. Success is getting information you didn't previously have. That and we have entire bodies of history open for public scrutiny.

Just 'cause they get caught some period down the line isn't really material. What is material is all the stuff they get away with. Even today, the hacks are coming out of Russia.

It's my story and I'm stickin' with it.
Thats fine KGIII...but the more pressing example of what i'm talking about is this: your screename sounds suspiciously like SOMETHING ELSE. If I wasn't clear enough, to me your name is pronounced Kay--Bee--Three. So are you...a russian?
 

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So are you...a russian?

I can't answer that question, comrade.

This thread isn't in off-topic, but we're already this far into it...
 
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