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Ubuntu is Microsoft's version of Linux.
Don't say weak things like this because it's not true.

But what is worse in Linux? Something that looks like the BSOD of Windows, or a totally black screen with no cursor that doesn't respond to anything except the computer's power button?

What is worse, the BSOD on the other side, or suddenly dropping into a "tty" coughing up I/O error messages at maddening rate? Or "request firmware" loop like I suffered a short time ago from Gnuinos/Devuan?

The BSOD of Windows is actually a "nice" greeting, instead of the sudden reboots that could be experienced on MS-DOS, which happened quite often, and not necessarily to respond to buggy programs or failing hardware. But I'm not defending that concept nor how "systemd" decided to imitate. I'm glad there's some ability to avoid this so-called service because I've been checking out EndeavourOS "Galileo". Although I haven't done system upgrade yet to get "systemd" v255.
 


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Linux is not becoming more windows like in the main. But there is this tendency among some to want it to be just like the windows they came from. My hope is it will never be that. I just read an article that says MS will be dropping support for Window 10 next year. So I would suspect at that time and after we will see another infulx of newbie linux users which can be a good thing. But lets keep linux , Linux not some other OS :) Change the screen of the BSOD to a different color at least.
 

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Linux is not becoming more windows like in the main. But there is this tendency among some to want it to be just like the windows they came from. My hope is it will never be that. I just read an article that says MS will be dropping support for Window 10 next year. So I would suspect at that time and after we will see another infulx of newbie linux users which can be a good thing. But lets keep linux , Linux not some other OS :) Change the screen of the BSOD to a different color at least.
Not many will switch over to Linux and if they do, most will go back to using Windows because of this minority in the Linux community that at times looks like the majority because of how bad they are that insist on making Linux harder to use than it really is when it comes to support help. This minority in the Linux community are very hostile to people switching over to Linux and others especially the one's that don't know the command line which is the case for the average Windows user. Many in the Linux community say this is not so when the proof of this hostility is in the comments of the YouTube video from DistroTube , "Why New Linux Users Quit And Go Back To Windows".
I toughed it out and I am still treated poorly by the one's I describe just as some others. It's ashame that we have these bad elements in the Linux community.
The other thing is certain things don't work on Linux for example updating my radar detector since there is no alternative Linux software that can update it and Wine doesn't work for situations like this. I have a laptop from a good friend who passed away earlier this year that has Windows 10 on it that I only use it to update my radar detector. My desktop computer and my other laptop I run MX Linux on them.
 

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Change the screen of the BSOD to a different color at least.

Green text on a black screen and no fricken QR code.

Also, I'd not expect all that many new users when 10 ends. That hasn't historically happened in great numbers.
I toughed it out and I am still treated poorly by the one's I describe just as some others.

Weren't you the one who was just trying to put down a distro and so doing so to people who use that distro?
 
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Downloaded Midori to give it a try look pretty good. Haven't tried it in years.
 

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What's the problem with the QR code? I'm in the dark

Give me the information on that screen, not some code that I need to scan with my phone to find the information.
 

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Usually the reason to quit Linux and return to Windows is very low tolerance level. The unwillingness to explore. Desiring to rush into things in life. Buying strange equipment which is known the manufacturer makes life harder if the user desires to redo the entire internal disk. (This doesn't include Chromebooks.) Desiring to protect a lot of money in software investments which are copy-protected and terminally insist running under Windows and refuse to cooperate on Linux with Wine. (Primarily because the maintainers of Wine are still trying to get things up to speed with Windows10 and Windows11. It has been pretty good now for 32-bit and WindowsXP and, less often, 64-bit Vista and 7 as well.)

I could name another online site about music technology which its forum has a bunch of users, each one easily showing, although rarely saying it directly, that he/she spent thousands of USD on equipment, including software, dongles and online subscriptions. Regularly there is somebody crying out for "future proofing" stuff. So they don't dare touch Linux, or they never take it seriously. There is a music plug-in standard that has just been obsoleted which caused consternation for a few years, along with the transition from 32-bit to 64-bit. Developers of music applications are being blamed unfairly in the major share.

On that same online site there is a topic going on about which Linux distribution is the best to use for music production. AV Linux and Ubuntu Studio were supposed to be winning. But it's a bit appalling to see in there almost no discussion about those expensive things needing to be "protected" and "future proofed".

Sometimes using Windows is just required by work. Leaves even less time to explore and appreciate.

Look around in other Linux technical forums for issues about "dual-booting" Linux and Windows. Otherwise unwilling to properly install it if there's enough RAM to run Virtual Box or other such technology to start Linux into. This tendency will be carried even further, sadly, as if there is a faction that feel they control all of Linux and are trying to make it act like MacOS or Windows even more than it has until today.
 

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systemd has its roots in windows registry, so is BSOD. It does not mean that it (BSOD) can be better, more informative.
Once BSOD is available why would one disable it? It will provide useful information about crash. I don't understand hostility about other OSes.

Using other OS (not necessary Windows) sometimes is necessary. If not my wife's OSX I would have get another machine just to get Adobe, and some other working because there is no linux alternative with similar output quality.

It seems that people are forgetting that this (OS) is only a tool.
 

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...MS will be dropping support for Window 10 next year

My sources indicate its EOL as being Oct 14, 2025 but if you have found differently, can you share? Thanks

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I would love to see some links on this.
I would like to see this as well, because the Windows registry where Windows settings are stored is one binary blob. With systemd all the service and static files a text files and you can override their settings with included text files. The only thing that is one big blob is the systemd binary although looking at my running system it seems systemd has several components started by several different binaries, not claiming to be a systemd export but just sharing what I can see.
 
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My sources indicate its EOL as being Oct 14, 2025 but if you have found differently, can you share? Thanks

Wizard
Yep, you are correct I miss read an article from ZDnet I think it was. It said Windows 10 last feature update would be next year and EOL would be October 2025. When it would no longer get security updates. In any event many I have talked to have said they will not go to Windows 11 or 12 , some will go with Mac hopefully others will migrate to Linux. During this time frame. One person said to me they were going totally cloud & Containers. We will see as time goes on. I did not keep the article sorry.
 
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Oh, wait, was that sarcasm?
Well, partly. Wife and I are nursing our first time with the virus. We are both loaded up with vaccines, and it has not been severe for us so far. Quite a few friends/family have had it recently too, so it seems to be picking up for our winter season. We are improving, and wife is itching to get back to work... to get away from me, I'm sure. ;)
 

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Thank you! :)
 

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Wife and I are nursing our first time with the virus.

We hope you'll be just fine at the end of it. It seems that most people are, though some have long-term consequences. Being vaccinated, you should be good to go. At least that's what the numbers tell us.

And, yup, Poettering works for MSFT. He's been there for a while now. He's paid to maintain systemd and probably another project or two. (As I recall, his fingers have been in PulseAudio, maybe even begin the author of such.)

MSFT has been paying Linux developers for quite a while now. At one point in my life, that's not a sentence I'd have expected to type - ever.
 

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