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charlie.corder

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Greetings everyone,
I hope this is the right place to discuss this subject.
One thing I have noticed since switching over to Linux, is the amount of negativity shown by newbies when they first come to Linux.
I have been trying to analyze why that is the case. I now think I have some of the causes of all the negativity.
Here's a little of my background.
I was born near the end of 1934, which was the heart of the great depression. From there we got involved in World War II. That lasted about 4 and a half years. No one knew when it would end, and sometimes thought it never would.
I was 11 years old when the war ended. It was at the same time that I got my first job, as a newspaper delivery boy. It was the morning paper in my hometown. I had to get on the job by 4 A.M. six days a week. No one was afraid or fearful about our safety. It never seemed to enter our thinking back then. {There were killings and such then}.
I was very glad to have a job where I could earn some money.
The society was very different then, from what it is today.
Today we live in a society that seems to be full of fear. Fear to do this, and fear to do that, which is negative. It does not seem to be Free to do this or Free to do that, which is positive.
People coming to Linux from Windows are very much influenced by negativity. With Linux, you are free to do whatever you like with your computer, and that means anything!!! - it's yours! Not so with Windows - it's theirs and you cannot do what you want with it beyond what they say you can do.
I have noticed that newbies find it difficult to believe that when using Linux we don't have to worry about viruses, malware and other junk stuff. It takes them a while to ditch the negativity of thought when moving to Linux, where freedom to do as you like is the norm. {Looking back, it probably took a good two years for me to really believe that Linux was as safe and free as it is.}
We live in the USA where we still have many freedoms left. However, "They say" has become more the rule today than ever before. "They say" generally is totally negative, insisting on the things that we cannot do, not on the things we could accomplish, which is positive.
I am thankful that I got involved with Linux. All my computers belong to me, because they have Linux installed on all of them. One says Apple on the front of the laptop, but Linux is the operating system inside. Others say Windows inside - guess what, not true. Linux is inside now. I have four laptops and three desktops, all with Linux installed on them. They are mine to do with as I please. That's freedom - to explore, wreck, restore, and give away if I want to.
We live in an age of negativity. It's time we get back to positivity.
Please be patient with newbies, as it will take time for them to see just what freedom to use their computer the way they want, is all about.
Thanks for taking the time to read my rant. Hopefully it may help some see just how important freedom is.
Positivity is constructive. Negativity is destructive.
Old Geezer, Tango Charlie
 


From many Windows users perspective, Win gives you the freedom to pirate endless fancy software, having things that you can't find equal in Linux. Others like to pay for the best software around, those too have to use Windows or MAC. So there are freedoms that Linux lack

Linux is for those who can live with less, out of the commercial realm, away from manipulative corp (still not free of them but away as possible)
 
I kind of get a kick out of the young people who think us older folks can't understand tech.

Please... We built the infrastructure they're using for their twits and bookfaces.
 
From many Windows users perspective, Win gives you the freedom to pirate endless fancy software, having things that you can't find equal in Linux. Others like to pay for the best software around, those too have to use Windows or MAC. So there are freedoms that Linux lack
I never paid a dime for software when using Windows OSs it was always free for the taking if I wanted it.
Linux is for those who can live with less, out of the commercial realm, away from manipulative corp (still not free of them but away as possible)
Yep I can live with less because it's free that's the only reason I'm using Linux is because it's free and I cheap. :p
 
I have noticed that newbies find it difficult to believe that when using Linux we don't have to worry about viruses, malware and other junk stuff.
I wish to be so easy and call it a popular belief that is some 90% true.

There is a video from L. Torvalds somewhere on YT I was watching and he says how mostly black hats are able to find exploitable bugs, and Linus is annoyed not because of bugs but because those proposed fixes void out his optimizations.
Conclusion is that Linux is not unhackable, I've heard it from Torvalds himself and that's more than enough for me.

But this doesn't make me Anti-Linux in any way, Linux is certainly far more secure by default than Windows.
 
Conclusion is that Linux is not unhackable, I've heard it from Torvalds himself and that's more than enough for me.

But this doesn't make me Anti-Linux in any way, Linux is certainly far more secure by default than Windows.
Ain't nothing bulletproof and the weakest link is always the user.

Most users have very poor web habits along with the lack of keeping their computer(s) updated.

Poor habits bad habits call it what you like it's still on them for not learning a little basic OS know how.
 
Ain't nothing bulletproof and the weakest link is always the user.

Most users have very poor web habits along with the lack of keeping their computer(s) updated.
I can understand how annoying it is for Linux veterans to listen about paranoia that is heard from Windows refugees, but it's equally annoying to hear how 100% of paranoia should be left behind.

Instead what Windows refugees should be taught of is the new ways of securing their Linux.
Securing Linux isn't the same as securing Windows, it's very different and shouldn't be lacking only because it's not Windows.

Driving a Mercedes is different than driving a Ford, but in both cases you need a driver license to be safe, and so in same way you need the driver license to drive Linux otherwise you pay the fine.
 
I can understand how annoying it is for Linux veterans to listen about paranoia that is heard from Windows refugees, but it's equally annoying to hear how 100% of paranoia should be left behind.
I think a lot of us Linux old timers forget that we were once newbies also although I may be wrong.

I remember how cool I thought Linux was when I first started using Linux.

I wanted to covert every Windows user I knew to become a Linux user.

I realized that wasn't going to happen because Linux wasn't anything special just another OS.
 
I wanted to covert every Windows user I knew to become a Linux user.
The easiest way to convert a Windows user is to tell then how much faster will their system run :cool:
That's one one thing I like about Linux the most, it's not security and what not but speed! and low resource consumption.

I have a feeling like my hardware will live longer because OS won't utilize it as much as Windows does.
 
We except this from windoze users switching to Linux because in windoze everything is done for them...all they do is click...do you agree to the terms of your master.

The Laptop comes with windoze installed...so there's nothing to do...most have no idea how to burn an ISO to a Flash Drive and then install the Distro because it's too hard and God forbid use DuckDuckGo to find out how.
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Some think they own their computer with windoze on it.
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Who paid a large fee to use your own Laptop...who can cancel that licence for any reason at any time...m$.

We all had to start somewhere and learn to use Linux by experience, and this can only be done by trial and error...nobody knows everything but together we know a bloody lot.

Most windoze users can't except the fact in Linux you're free to do whatever you like...try to tell them not to use antivirus or cleaning software and it goes in one ear and out the other...in the end those who won't listen I just ignore as you can only tell people so many times.
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More power to you Charlie ;)

On 15 September coming, I will have been here 10 years. Joining here provided me with an avenue to see what other people were using what Linux, and to make friends, and to help people as my knowledge grew.

About 2 weeks after I joined, I made the decision to run exclusively on Linux, with my blowing away of Windows 7 (which I quite liked, haven't liked one since).

In 2 days, I was running 3 distros, with 3 DEs -
  • Ubuntu 14.04 (Unity)
  • Zorin OS 9 (GNOME) and
  • Linux Mint 17.0 'Qiana' MATE
Less than 12 months later, I was running 48 distros on a Toshiba Satellite lappie with 8 GB RAM.

Five years ago, I bought this Dell Inspiron i7 with 16 GB RAM, and combined it with a WD 4 TB mains powered My Book, connects via USB 3. Now I am running 88 distros, plus 4 in VMs.

The Distros come from 4 Families - Debian, Red Hat (RPM), Arch and Gentoo.

Only Linux provides that variety.

On security, I started using Linux in 2010, with a WUBI install of Ubuntu under Windows XP.

For over 14 years, I did not use AV software. A few weeks ago, I installed Clam on one of my 'buntus, just to learn a bit about it, not because I needed it. I have not ever had a virus nor any malware, since using Linux.

I have a software firewall on all 88, plus a router firewall. That's all I need.

Avagudweegend

Wizard
 
More power to you Charlie ;)

On 15 September coming, I will have been here 10 years. Joining here provided me with an avenue to see what other people were using what Linux, and to make friends, and to help people as my knowledge grew.

About 2 weeks after I joined, I made the decision to run exclusively on Linux, with my blowing away of Windows 7 (which I quite liked, haven't liked one since).

In 2 days, I was running 3 distros, with 3 DEs -
  • Ubuntu 14.04 (Unity)
  • Zorin OS 9 (GNOME) and
  • Linux Mint 17.0 'Qiana' MATE
Less than 12 months later, I was running 48 distros on a Toshiba Satellite lappie with 8 GB RAM.

Five years ago, I bought this Dell Inspiron i7 with 16 GB RAM, and combined it with a WD 4 TB mains powered My Book, connects via USB 3. Now I am running 88 distros, plus 4 in VMs.

The Distros come from 4 Families - Debian, Red Hat (RPM), Arch and Gentoo.

Only Linux provides that variety.

On security, I started using Linux in 2010, with a WUBI install of Ubuntu under Windows XP.

For over 14 years, I did not use AV software. A few weeks ago, I installed Clam on one of my 'buntus, just to learn a bit about it, not because I needed it. I have not ever had a virus nor any malware, since using Linux.

I have a software firewall on all 88, plus a router firewall. That's all I need.

Avagudweegend

Wizard
Herein lies the freedom a person will obtain with Linux.
Could not explain it better myself.
Great explanation Wiz!!!
 
I switched to Linux when WindowsXP crashed and ate the 4k+ mp3s I had spent months downloading.
Literally everything in various folders was just gone. One of my roommates at the time gave me a Knoppix live-cd. I spent the next two days trying to find the files, no luck. Knoppix was pretty cool, so I downloaded Debian Woody and installed it. Been running Debian in one form or another ever since.
 
I kind of get a kick out of the young people who think us older folks can't understand tech.

Please... We built the infrastructure they're using for their twits and bookfaces.
Oh, that is SO true. Today's young generation probably think it was all conjured up by a bunch of AI bots that "magically" appeared out of thin air..! :p

Mike. :D
 
Driving a Mercedes is different than driving a Ford, but in both cases you need a driver license to be safe, and so in same way you need the driver license to drive Linux otherwise you pay the fine.
Heh. Well, um.....OK. Technically, the piece of paper by itself doesn't "make you safe"; what it does of course do is to prove to others that you're not QUITE such a suicidal lunatic behind the wheel as many seem to be! I mean, them things'll kill ya if you're not careful... Plus, of course, it IS a legal requirement. One that holds true regardless of where you happen to live on this dirtball.

It's not quite the same thing with using a 'puter, but, er, yah; I get where you're coming from! :p

Traditionally, of course, the most successful with Linux have always been those with a somewhat higher degree of intelligence than your average Joe in the street. But since many distros want to capture a slice of the disenchanted Windows refugees steadily trickling in our direction, they're going out of their way to dumb things down to the Windows-user level....to the point where it's all point-and-click, and nobody even needs to think for themselves!

Mike. o_O
 
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@charlie.corder
I think negativity about Linux (in which ever aspect) should be separated from freedom.

We have freedom to do what ever we want with Linux and nothing is being forced upon us by corps as it's the case with Windows or Mac.
This includes we have freedom to do the most crazy things such as running a script that will delete random files on system.

However that kind of freedom doesn't guarantee your safety online, you're still responsible to handle your safety, meaning you can't count on your Linux to do this job for you.

So I think it's important to explain to newcomers to Linux to change their way about what OS is, what applied to Windows no longer applies to Linux, things are different here but this doesn't mean Linux will cover your butt in all those aspects in which Windows failed to do so.
 
I have switched to Linux about 6 years ago but I still consider myself Linux newbie. And I will not lie, I experience lot of frustration when solving Linux related issues and sometimes I sneak that frustration into my forum posts during troubleshooting. So my apologies. In same time, I am thankful that these people who are involved in open source software exist.
So from my side, I would not say it is negativity, it is just frustration ventilation.
 


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