Microsoft is now recommending customers to purchase a new PC

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""The company has since reaffirmed that Windows 11's system requirements are here to stay, emphasizing the role of Trusted Platform Module (TPM) and newer CPUs in ensuring future Windows security.""

And yet, we have members here installing Linux on PC's/Laptops etc etc which are years old, (10 + years old is not uncommon) and they are secure. Snug as a bug in a rug. It is such a wonderful feeling that you run an OS that cost you nothing, and is secure.

What's not to like?
 
Anything newer than ~10 years should have TPM 2.0. Some searching says people tend to upgrade their PC about every 5 years with OEMs saying to expect failures starting in the 3 to 5 year span. (See also the logical fallacy of survivorship bias.)

So, it probably won't pose much of a hassle to a large percentage of their users. Those refurbs for $150 (or less) already ship with 11 installed on them or can be upgraded to 11 for free.
 
Those refurbs for $150 (or less) already ship with 11 installed on them or can be upgraded to 11 for free.
and can be upgraded to Linux for free
 
and can be upgraded to Linux for free

Absolutely.

I don't expect many people to do that. If anything, I expect them to use Windows 10 long after it is no longer supported, much like the people who insist on using XP. I expect another subset to just stop using PCs. They'll just use their phone and tablet (which, I suppose, is probably technically Linux). There's even a new Mac Mini that is almost in the 'affordable' category.

I don't expect a giant influx of new Linux users.

But, anyone on a limited budget can just buy a > $150 USD refurbished computer with 11 already installed. It'll even be usable, as far as specs go. I still (sometimes) use the refurb I bought a couple of years back, when I wanted to see what you could get for about a hundred bucks.

I'd love to be mistaken. History says I'm not. Outside of the server realm, we're not much more than a rounding error. Though, in the server world it's said that 97% of those run some form of Linux. There are also about 2 billion Android users - which is technically Linux. Technically...

But, we've not yet had the year of Linux on the Desktop. We've had our own individual years of such, but we just don't seem to have mass appeal. It was not that long ago, just a few months, that I had to show someone that Linux was not, in fact, just a text-based operating system.
 
I have been following reddit.com for some time.

I find the growth there quite interesting.

The input is of reasonable quality. Some of it is outstanding

As a barometer, I believe reddit is quite useful. My take is this: I see Linux growing bigger. Insufficient to overtake MS anytime soon, but growing none the less.

It was once said that reddit would fizzle and die. The link below puts the sword to that statement.

One day, someone, somewhere will do or say something that will ignite Linux's growth.

It may be an elon musk type character, .....



Currently, the r/linuxmint community has the following numbers associated with it.

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One day, someone, somewhere will do or say something that will ignite Linux's growth.

I'd like to hope so.

We can use this forum as a metric. We're the #1 result for the word in search engines and we get about 20 new posts per day.

We'll see how much that changes. That number also includes the 'off topic' stuff.
 
I'm bracing for a tsunami of free used Win10 machines but I'm not going to try to find homes for them until they actually materialize. I see many linux systems emerging soon. :cool:
 
""The company has since reaffirmed that Windows 11's system requirements are here to stay, emphasizing the role of Trusted Platform Module (TPM) and newer CPUs in ensuring future Windows security.""

And yet, we have members here installing Linux on PC's/Laptops etc etc which are years old, (10 + years old is not uncommon) and they are secure. Snug as a bug in a rug. It is such a wonderful feeling that you run an OS that cost you nothing, and is secure.

What's not to like?
And since when was Windows ever secure? Like never. This is probably just an excuse to avoid making their software portable for older computers. Lazy bums.

If only we could enlighten the masses about the freedom and privacy that Linux offers over the big tech operating systems. Perhaps then more people would flock to Linux. They'd also have to be willing to learn how to think and manage their own computer for themselves of course. This is something big tech insists on doing for them.

Signed,

Matthew Campbell
 
They'd also have to be willing to learn how to think and manage their own computer for themselves of course.
And that is probably the crux of the whole thing. Asking/expecting people to 'learn how to think' is quite possibly a step too far.
 
Lt. Ripley has other ideas to suggest to Microsoft customers.

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Note: you bet what OS the USB has flashed.
 
And that is probably the crux of the whole thing. Asking/expecting people to 'learn how to think' is quite possibly a step too far.
I don't know who originally said it but I love this quote:

"If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you but if you make them actually think, they'll hate you."
 
not gonna defend microsoft but they're a company that makes a product that works the best on a new computer - it's in their interests to tell people to buy new hardware. a certain subset of people will eventually make their way to one of the linux messageboards, but as @KGIII said, we're just not there yet with desktop linux.
 
it's in their interests to tell people to buy new hardware

It's not dissimilar to distros dropping support for 32 bit hardware.

MSFT also has all sorts of telemetry data and access to all sorts of sales data. They've got a whole lot of data.

They know, within a rounding error, how many users this will cost them and have made this decision knowing all of that.
 
microsoft also recommends complete reinstall of windows every few years as part of normal maintenance. Of course M$ will say buy a new computer because they make money from every computer sold no matter who made it because their O$ is on it. I love the Linux world for sticking it to M$ anytime they can. Office 365 vs Libre Office.... just an example
 
microsoft also recommends complete reinstall of windows every few years as part of normal maintenance. Of course M$ will say buy a new computer because they make money from every computer sold no matter who made it because their O$ is on it. I love the Linux world for sticking it to M$ anytime they can. Office 365 vs Libre Office.... just an example
oh yeah, when I run out of things to try a reimage is my go to. and if that fails, hardware replacement. some days it feels like my division keeps our VAR solvent.
 
A few years ago it was still possible to by pass, not sure if it still is.

Edit: I found some new information, but seems it probably doesn't work anymore and if it does it won't soon anymore.
I did a few refurbs with the new windows 11 pro. actually about 2 dozen of them in last 30 days and the registry hack to install win 11 pro still worked as did the way to not register with a M$ account. I do not use utilities I do direct changes because I do not trust utilities in windoze to do simple things without doing something else too.
 

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