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I don't get any download options for a destination drive. Downloading from Mint.I was hoping to download and install Linux on my external hard drive. It downloaded to a phantom Disc Drive. I moved the files to my EHD but can't find any way to install. Do I need to be a Computer Engineer to install Linux?
 


Hi Stan and welcome to linux.org :)

You can't just download a Linux image (.iso) and copy it to a medium and then install.

You have to "burn" the iso to a DVD or USB stick using purpose-built software, then modify your computer startup boot sequence (BIOS) to recognise the disk or stick ahead of your hard drive, and then an installer will appear that will take you through the various stages and options.

Do I take it you are running Windows, and if so, which version (7, 8 or 10)?

Can you give us the brand name and model number of the computer you are using, including details of how much RAM (memory), size of internal HDD and size of external drive?

We can show you how to get all this information once you give us the type of Windows.

Do I need to be a Computer Engineer to install Linux?

No, you just need a little patience, be able to follow instructions, and not expect Linux to be Windows. :)

Tell us the name of the iso you downloaded, eg linuxmint-18.3-mate-64bit.iso or similar.

If by
Downloading from Mint

you mean from https://linuxmint.com/ ... did you follow the instructions to verify the download?

The more information you can give us, the better we will be able to assist.

WIZARD'S SUGGESTED READING

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Ubuntu-Linux

and linked from that

https://www.wikihow.com/Burn-ISO-Files-to-DVD

Cheers

Chris Turner
wizardfromoz
 
G'day Stan, and Welcome to Linux.org

A few more details please.....

make and model of your pc

which Operating system is running on it right now ?

I assume from your first post that you are downloading from Linux.com ?...or Linuxmint.com ?

Generally, the files which you downloaded are an .iso file

They need to be "burned" to whatever you are going to use.......whether that is a usb/thumb drive, or an external drive of some sort.

I will include this tutorial here for you to read......it is a bit lengthy, but it should give you an idea ...or two

To answer your 'do i need to be a comp engineer to install Linux.....the answer is a definite NO. Once you have the procedure and the 'mind set' in place it is astonishingly simple.

Dont overthink it.

How to Try Linux Mint on thumb drive
**How to install/try Linux Mint on your Windows PC**

First, you can -- __and should__ -- try Linux Mint before switching to it. Fortunately, unlike other operating systems, Linux distros like Mint make it easy to give them a test run before installing it.

First you'll need to download a copy of Linux Mint, which comes with three different desktops: MATE, Xfce, and its default desktop, Cinnamon. If you have a 2012-or-newer PC, I recommend you download the 64-bit version of Mint with Cinnamon and multi-media support.

If you don't have an __ISO burner program__, download one. I recommend freeware programs ImgBurn for optical drives and Yumi for Windows for USB sticks. Other good choices are LinuxLive USB Creator and UNetbootin. These are also free programs.

((( I use unetbootin. I download the iso file separately....I don't use unetbootin to download it for me. I then use the are at the bottom of the unetbootin window to locate the iso on my pc, select the USB stick to write it to....select 4gb of persistence (so that after a reboot most/all the changes i have made will still be there)....and away we go !)))


**Giving Mint a try**

Once you've installed the burner program and have the latest Linux Mint ISO file in hand, use the burner to put the ISO image to your disc or USB stick. If you're using a DVD -- __Mint is too big to fit on a CD__ -- check your newly burned disc for errors. Over the years, I've had more __problems with running Linux and installing Linux from DVDs__ from bad discs than all other causes combined.

You can set it up a USB stick with persistent storage. With this, you can store your programs and files on the stick. This way you can carry Linux and use it as a walk-around operating system for hotel, conference, and library PCs. I've found this to be very handy and there's always at least one Linux stick in my laptop bag.

**Next, you place your disc or USB stick into your PC and reboot**. During the reboot, stop the boot-up process and get to your PC's UEFI or BIOS settings. How you do this varies according to the system.

Look for a message as the machine starts up that tells which key or keys you'll need to press in order to get to the BIOS or UEFI. Likely candidates are a function key or the "esc" or "delete" keys. __If you don't spot it the first time, don't worry about it. Just reboot and try again.__


Once you get to the BIOS or UEFI, look for a menu choice labeled "Boot," "Boot Options," or "Boot Order." If you don't see anything with the word "boot" in it, check other menu options such as "Advanced Options," "Advanced BIOS Features," or "Other Options." Once you find it, set the boot order so that instead of booting from the hard drive first, you boot from either the CD/DVD drive or from a USB drive.

Once your PC is set to try to boot first from the alternative drive, insert your DVD or USB stick and reboot. __Then, select "Start Linux Mint" from the first menu. And, from there, you'll be running Linux Mint.__

Some Nvidia graphics cards don't work well with Mint's open-source driver. If Linux Mint freezes during boot, use the "nomodeset" boot option. You set this to the Start Linux Mint option and press __'e'__ to modify the boot options. Then, replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset" and press F10 to boot. On older PCs using BIOS, press 'tab' instead of 'e.'

__MINT WILL RUN SLOWER THIS WAY, BUT IT WILL BOOT AND RUN__. If you decide to install Mint, you can permanently fix the problem with the following steps:

Run the Driver Manager
Choose the NVIDIA drivers and wait for them to be installed
Reboot the computer

SO **FAR YOU HAVEN'T INSTALLED ANYTHING ON YOUR PC, BUT YOU WILL BE RUNNING LINUX MINT. USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY WITH IT TO SEE IF YOU LIKE IT..**

Using a DVD drive Mint will run slowly, but it will run quickly enough to give you an idea of what it's like to use Mint. With a USB stick, it runs fast enough to give you a good notion of what working with Mint is like.

P__LEASE...play with it...explore everywhere....you CANNOT break it...remember it is on a thumb drive....if it goes up in smoke, just reboot and away you go again. No harm done.__

Advice : Have a look at **'Timeshift'** it is similar to windows system restore.....just MUCH better. It actually works.

A good tutorial can be found : https://www.linuxliteos.com/manual/tutorials.html#timeshift

While you are //playing with Linux// on a thumb drive //you will not need Timeshift//.....but after you have **actually INSTALLED Linux...then i HIGHLY recommend you give Timeshift a run**. If you have an __external hard drive as well, this is the ideal set up.__ You are able to send a 'snapshot' of your system to the external hard drive via Timeshift' ....it serves as a 'safe spot' which you can restore from with one click.
In the case of a (HIGHLY unlikely) bad update, where your normal __Linux__ would not boot.....simply boot the pc to the external hard drive...select the 'snapshot' you wish to run (usually the one made before the bad update)....click on 'restore'....go make coffee.
It will be done by the time you have made it. __Simple.__


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https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-install-linux-mint-on-your-windows-pc/

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Read the rest of this article online.

**PLEASE NOTE...THE MOST CRITICAL CHOICE IN ACTUALLY INSTALLING WILL BE :....HOW TO PARTITION YOUR HARD DRIVE !!!!!!.....GO ONE WAY AND LINUX WILL INSTALL ALONGSIDE YOUR WINDOWS INSTALL......GO THE OTHER WAY AND YOUR WINDOWS INSTALL WILL BE WIPED OUT. GONE. FOREVER. CHOOSE CAREFULLY !!!!!!!!**

I have always installed Linux in such a way that wipes out windows/whatever else is on the Hard drive/ssd

**You may wish to dual boot**. The instructions for that are at that link, where it tells you to __"install linux mint alongside..__"...

This procedure will install Linux Mint next to your existing Windows system and leave it totally untouched. When I do this, I usually give half my PC's remaining drive space to Mint. You'll be asked to choose which operating system you want to boot by default. No matter which one you pick, you'll get a few seconds to switch to the other operating system.

You'll also be required to give your system a name; __pick out a username for yourself, and come up with a PASSWORD. WRITE THE BLOODY THING DOWN__. You WILL need it....many times over. On many occasions when you type the password into linux.....it will NOT show on screen...not even asterisks etc etc......so have a record of it..... somewhere.

Set up a regular Timeshift schedule. Easy to do. Peace of mind assured.

Unless you work for the nsa, don't encrypt your drive. For normal day to day use , you do not need it.

Drivers : Next, you can have it check to see if your computer needs any additional drivers. I highly recommend you run this. After this, you can choose to install proprietary multimedia codecs such as drivers to watch DVDs. I think you should do this, as well.


You should also set it to __update your system to the latest software.__

Unlike Windows, when you update Mint, you're updating not just your operating system but all the other programs such as the default web browser, Firefox; office-suite, LibreOffice; and any other programs you've installed from Mint's Software Manager.
(software manager :....click on menu...then on software manager (hover over icons, you will find it)...)



__To update manually, click on the shield icon in the menu bar__. By default in the Cinnamon desktop, the bar will be on the bottom part of the screen and the icon will be on the right. It will then prompt you for your password and ask if you really want to update your system. Say yes, and you'll be ready to give your new Mint system a real try out.

**PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE READ. Your updates will be automatically set to ""JUST KEEP MY COMPUTER SAFE""**......DO NOT stop/delay/fiddle with updates. __THIS IS NOT WINDOWS__. Just let the update manager do its thing. It will not destroy your pc and have you spend countless hours trying to resurrect it from the ashes....This NOT windows. Have Faith.

At some later time after you have become REALLY familiar with Linux, you may progress to the update setting..::Let me Review Sensitive Updates""....That is for **LATER.**
__(and just in case you select that update policy, and something goes sideways....thats what Timeshift is for !!!)__


The setup routine also offers to let you look at system settings and find new programs with the Software Manager, but since you're probably a new user, you can skip those for now. Please...__.. skip this FOR NOW.__

Set up Firefox (if you use that) If you have used F'Fox in windows you may have used the "Sync Settings" in Firefox account. Use that to 'sync' your settings, add ons, history,bookmarks,preferences,logins etc

Email : You can use Thunderbird to display your email. It seamlessly displays email from Gmail, Yahoo...etc etc
Thunderbird is included with Linux by default.
Click on menu...type in Thunderbird....right click to put the icon on the desktop, or to put the icon in the panel.
 
I don't get any download options for a destination drive. Downloading from Mint.I was hoping to download and install Linux on my external hard drive. It downloaded to a phantom Disc Drive. I moved the files to my EHD but can't find any way to install. Do I need to be a Computer Engineer to install Linux?
Hi Stan and welcome to linux.org :)

You can't just download a Linux image (.iso) and copy it to a medium and then install.

You have to "burn" the iso to a DVD or USB stick using purpose-built software, then modify your computer startup boot sequence (BIOS) to recognise the disk or stick ahead of your hard drive, and then an installer will appear that will take you through the various stages and options.

Do I take it you are running Windows, and if so, which version (7, 8 or 10)?

Can you give us the brand name and model number of the computer you are using, including details of how much RAM (memory), size of internal HDD and size of external drive?

We can show you how to get all this information once you give us the type of Windows.



No, you just need a little patience, be able to follow instructions, and not expect Linux to be Windows. :)

Tell us the name of the iso you downloaded, eg linuxmint-18.3-mate-64bit.iso or similar.

If by


you mean from https://linuxmint.com/ ... did you follow the instructions to verify the download?

The more information you can give us, the better we will be able to assist.

WIZARD'S SUGGESTED READING

http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

https://www.wikihow.com/Install-Ubuntu-Linux

and linked from that

https://www.wikihow.com/Burn-ISO-Files-to-DVD

Cheers

Chris Turner
wizardfromoz
 

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Hi Stan, the image was a start, but help us out here? :)

Product ID: 00325-95800-00000-AAOEM

yields results for Alienware, Spectre, HP Pavilions, and a bunch of others including Lenovo. HP is well supported and Lenovo can have some issues.

16 GB RAM is good, I am guessing maybe 1TB HDD space, you can say otherwise ... what about the External drive?

So you have Windows 10, we need System Information:

This covers 7, 8 and 10

https://www.howtogeek.com/196893/how-to-open-the-system-information-panel-on-windows-8/

On the page that shows System Summary, can you tell me whether, beside "BIOS mode" it says "Legacy" or "UEFI"?

Better is to take a screenshot with Windows Snipping Tool and post it here like the last one.

Here's a pic of mine

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SCREENSHOT 1 - MY WINDOWS 10 SYSTEM INFORMATION

With this, you can see I have a Dell Inspiron 5770, and it is using UEFI.

We could also do with information about your current Partitioning arrangement under Windows 10, and that of the External HDD. Windows Disk Management will tell us what we need to know.

Have a look below at mine (two shots)

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SCREENSHOT 2 - MY PARTITION SETUP 1

Yours will not likely have as many as mine, lol.

Note the bottom half of the window, with the colour scheme - headers are blues and blacks. Blue for partitions in use, black for unallocated space.

On the left hand side it says Disk zero Basic 1863.02 GB Online. That is my Dell's 2TB HDD, below it is the 256 GB Solid State Drive, also internal.

By right-clicking where it says Disk 0 (zero), I get the popup window, and I choose Properties. Below is the result.


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SCREENSHOT 3 - MY PARTITION STYLE

At Properties, I have clicked the tab saying Volumes, and it tells me that my Partition style is the GUID Partition Table aka GPT.

If it says MBR or MSDOS, then there may be additional steps we need to take to get Linux onto your machine. These are not the invention of Linux, but restrictions originating with a certain other operating system :rolleyes:

Have your external HDD plugged in when you access this information, so we can see what it is like for installing Linux.

So you have a good head start with what Brian (@Condobloke ) has provided you, let's go some steps further?

And you can delete what you have already put on the External, as it can't be used.

Avagudweegend

Wizard
 
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It's an HP ENVY, 17". The external is a Seagate 4 TB. Attached are the screens
 

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OK that's looking good so far, Stan :)

Now you just need to provide me with that bit I mentioned at #5 (click the images to make them larger)

Have a look below at mine (two shots)

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SCREENSHOT 2 - MY PARTITION SETUP 1

Yours will not likely have as many as mine, lol.

Note the bottom half of the window, with the colour scheme - headers are blues and blacks. Blue for partitions in use, black for unallocated space.

On the left hand side it says Disk zero Basic 1863.02 GB Online. That is my Dell's 2TB HDD, below it is the 256 GB Solid State Drive, also internal.

By right-clicking where it says Disk 0 (zero), I get the popup window, and I choose Properties. Below is the result.


UHE3wHr.png


SCREENSHOT 3 - MY PARTITION STYLE

At Properties, I have clicked the tab saying Volumes, and it tells me that my Partition style is the GUID Partition Table aka GPT.

If it says MBR or MSDOS, then there may be additional steps we need to take to get Linux onto your machine. These are not the invention of Linux, but restrictions originating with a certain other operating system :rolleyes:

Have your external HDD plugged in when you access this information, so we can see what it is like for installing Linux.

So you've got your Disk 0 Basic 931.5 GB, right-click exactly where it says that.

And there will be an entry below that, possibly Disk 1, for your external, do the same with that.

Cheers

Wizard
 
I'm taking a different path now. I know just enough to be dangerous. I am trying to burn the Linux files to a disk, so I can install to my laptop from there. Background - I have set up a partition in my laptop for a new drive, called H. When I plug in the disk, it doesn't boot to install the files. Now I don't know what format to use to prepare the disk. I am also trying a USB for the same installation purpose. Same problem.I need to know what format type to use on the Disk/USB. The disk/USB also needs another program so it can boot to install. Rufus? Do I format and then install Rufus? Do the Linux files need to be on the Disk/usb first? Sorry to be thick as a brick. I have been using windows for 35 years. It has caused serious brain injury.
 
No need for apologies, Stan :). Continued and prolonged exposure to Windows can turn formerly productive minds into mush, like a sort of radioactive decay.

No Linux files need to be on the disk or stick before burning. Format sticks to FAT32.

Did you click the Spoiler and read what Brian (@Condobloke ) had to offer at #3. It is very comprehensive and he has put a lot of work into it. If I were you I would print it and use it as a guide.

I am tempted to steal it when he has his back turned. o_O

Rufus will work for USB sticks. So too Etcher - https://etcher.io/ - which is cross-platform, and Brian mentions Unetbootin, also cross-platform.

For burning a disk, there are inbuilt solutions in your Win 10 and also free downloads you can try.

With the inbuilt one, you can simply right-click the .iso file in your File Explorer and choose burn to disk. This will launch the Windows Disc Image Burner.

Cheers

Wizard
 
bit late to the party here....steal??!!....what??!....oh...its gone !...too late !!!
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That's great, Stan :)

I will probably have more dumb questions as time goes on.

You would not be human if using Linux did not raise questions ;), the only dumb questions are those that are not asked.

Cheers

Wiz
 
I'm baaaaack. I am trying to add internet page addresses to my desktop. eg: Youtube. All I can do is drag and drop the address. It results in a pretty ugly link. Any suggestions on how to get a pretty icon? I have searched the forums with no luck.
 
Which Mint are we on, Stan? I have to go out for a bit.

Wiz
 


Found it:

Right-click an empty space on the desktop
Click "Create Launcher ..."
In Name section: type in your web page's name
In Command: type firefox address-of-your-webpage
click ok

For example, the command for a shortcut to Google:


Code: Select all

firefox www.google.com
Linux Mint forum page would be:
Code: Select all

firefox forums.linuxmint.com
 
Crap. Wrong again. That just gives a generic text name under a cog. All the same icon. Just a different name.
 
leave a double space between "firefox' and the url

Firefox :) www.google.com
 
Right click on empty part of desktop

Select "create a new launcher here'

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I am not familiar with LM19 just yet.....but ifd you right click the resulting icon and the select properties...go to
Emblems' you will have some choice of bits and pieces to make thge icons look 'different'....you can use 4 on each icon

LM19 may have more choice then 18.3 which I am using now
 

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