It no longer makes sense for windows to be the default gaming OS

Bartman said:
Yep I all good things eventually come to an end.

Gaming on an Xbox is way better than on a computer.
I know a lot more folks that game using Xbox's than computers.
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console gaming is more immerisive, smooth, and fun, i've had many years of being a windows pc gamer and console gamer...console gaming has a higher % chance of just working. It's also better designed for asking friends over for video games. I think online gaming in comparison just blows unless you live in a highly urban area with the absolute best fiber optics internet service, this is even true as of this year. I spent years playing LOL and the number of times you lose the match just because someone has lower-than-ideal internet is quite high, first person shooters suffer even more from online play. It's really hard for me to imagine what it was like being one of the first LAN gamers playing DOOM, how that sh*t even stayed around for a week, lmfao.

However, PC gaming "wins" in terms of flexibility and potential to not spend as much money. I'm probably one of the youngest people here, but i still grew up in the 90's/00's, and buying cartidge after cartridge or tape after tape really ads up...now adays, you don't have to spend ANY money on either the games rf source of digital media with an internet connection. I do side with Bartman in terms of feeling about buying a disc and popping it into your computer, but those days are over in the big sense. Optical drives, however, are far from dead, so someone wouldn't have that hard of a hard time starting up a DVD to 4k based based gaming company.

Turn-based MMO play has a huge amount of potential in terms of including everybody, but of course first person shooters and action based online games are still going to dominate the market because they better satisfy human impulse...
 


CrazedNerd said:
console gaming is more immerisive, smooth, and fun, i've had many years of being a windows pc gamer and console gamer...console gaming has a higher % chance of just working. It's also better designed for asking friends over for video games. I think online gaming in comparison just blows unless you live in a highly urban area with the absolute best fiber optics internet service, this is even true as of this year. I spent years playing LOL and the number of times you lose the match just because someone has lower-than-ideal internet is quite high, first person shooters suffer even more from online play. It's really hard for me to imagine what it was like being one of the first LAN gamers playing DOOM, how that sh*t even stayed around for a week, lmfao.

However, PC gaming "wins" in terms of flexibility and potential to not spend as much money. I'm probably one of the youngest people here, but i still grew up in the 90's/00's, and buying cartidge after cartridge or tape after tape really ads up...now adays, you don't have to spend ANY money on either the games rf source of digital media with an internet connection. I do side with Bartman in terms of feeling about buying a disc and popping it into your computer, but those days are over in the big sense. Optical drives, however, are far from dead, so someone wouldn't have that hard of a hard time starting up a DVD to 4k based based gaming company.

Turn-based MMO play has a huge amount of potential in terms of including everybody, but of course first person shooters and action based online games are still going to dominate the market because they better satisfy human impulse...
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The problem with the console is the limitations. So many games have already hit that limit as soon as the console is out. Another is the Framerate. It's one of the biggest problems Console have since, unlike PC graphics cards, they don't get an update to work better with the game at the same rate. Also, games love to push the graphics card on the console to its limit, which gives an unstable framerate. It's also why console games have this weird graphics design that I never really liked that makes the game look good without using too much performance. I have been playing on console since NES and stopped at PS4 since it didn't make sense anymore to buy them. However, since the old GEN console was better than the new when it came to game performance, and I feel like PC was a better option, I still play on a lot of the old Consoles like Xbox360 and PS1-2 since I like them better over the new one.
 
I play all my old games on emulators. And, no, I didn't dump them all myself, and no, IDC if it's considered "illegal" to download ROM dumps of games I bought and own, coz I paid for them... Skirting politics aside, yup, I miss consoles. Never a big PC gamer. I stopped at PS2 coz after that, consoles needed updates, you bought DLC, heck you startes buying games without a physical copy. I feel this way about eBooks and music, too. Sorry trees, I like to hold a book, I like the smell of fresh ink, I like not getting a headache from reading 8 hours per day (some Dean Koontz will have you read that much). It's sad that I haven't read and actual real book in years. Just as sad as not owning physical copies of games. And my rig handles ir with ease, except PCSX2, but upstream stopped at 1.4 and the Arch folk are now updating the Linux version. Running 1.7 as of now. All my old PC games on CD seem fine on WINE and 90% need no special tweaks other than full desktop emulation for DX9 games.

So for me, Linux is the best gaming OS!
 
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kibasnowpaw said:
The problem with the console is the limitations. So many games have already hit that limit as soon as the console is out. Another is the Framerate. It's one of the biggest problems Console have since, unlike PC graphics cards, they don't get an update to work better with the game at the same rate. Also, games love to push the graphics card on the console to its limit, which gives an unstable framerate.
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I bought an Xbox series X this year and I have found that it's relaxing to be able to play some types of games with a controller and from the couch. While other games I still prefer to play from behind my desk on my desktop system. Most of the games I play on my console are XS games so they have been optimized for the XS series, I haven't found any problems with the graphics yet.

I had a Playstation 3 and 4 in the past but I got rid of those. I am happy that I am able to play some Playstation games on Proton that came out on pc.
store.steampowered.com

Days Gone on Steam

Ride and fight into a deadly, post pandemic America. Play as Deacon St. John, a drifter and bounty hunter who rides the broken road, fighting to survive while searching for a reason to live in this open-world action-adventure game.
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God of War on Steam

His vengeance against the Gods of Olympus years behind him, Kratos now lives as a man in the realm of Norse Gods and monsters. It is in this harsh, unforgiving world that he must fight to survive… and teach his son to do the same.
store.steampowered.com store.steampowered.com
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Horizon Zero Dawn™ Complete Edition on Steam

Experience Aloy’s legendary quest to unravel the mysteries of a future Earth ruled by Machines. Use devastating tactical attacks against your prey and explore a majestic open world in this award-winning action RPG!
store.steampowered.com store.steampowered.com

Also The Last of Us is coming to pc.
www.pcgamer.com

The Last of Us remake is coming to PC

It's out on PS5 on September 2, with a PC version 'in development.'
www.pcgamer.com www.pcgamer.com
I can't wait so that I can play it again but on pc this time but I also hope that The Last of Us part 2 will eventually come to pc so that I can play that as well since I haven't been able to play that.
 
f33dm3bits said:
I bought an Xbox series X this year and I have found that it's relaxing to be able to play some types of games with a controller and from the couch. While other games I still prefer to play from behind my desk on my desktop system. Most of the games I play on my console are XS games so they have been optimized for the XS series, I haven't found any problems with the graphics yet.

I had a Playstation 3 and 4 in the past but I got rid of those. I am happy that I am able to play some Playstation games on Proton that came out on pc.
store.steampowered.com

Days Gone on Steam

Ride and fight into a deadly, post pandemic America. Play as Deacon St. John, a drifter and bounty hunter who rides the broken road, fighting to survive while searching for a reason to live in this open-world action-adventure game.
store.steampowered.com store.steampowered.com
store.steampowered.com

God of War on Steam

His vengeance against the Gods of Olympus years behind him, Kratos now lives as a man in the realm of Norse Gods and monsters. It is in this harsh, unforgiving world that he must fight to survive… and teach his son to do the same.
store.steampowered.com store.steampowered.com
store.steampowered.com

Horizon Zero Dawn™ Complete Edition on Steam

Experience Aloy’s legendary quest to unravel the mysteries of a future Earth ruled by Machines. Use devastating tactical attacks against your prey and explore a majestic open world in this award-winning action RPG!
store.steampowered.com store.steampowered.com

Also The Last of Us is coming to pc.
www.pcgamer.com

The Last of Us remake is coming to PC

It's out on PS5 on September 2, with a PC version 'in development.'
www.pcgamer.com www.pcgamer.com
I can't wait so that I can play it again but on pc this time but I also hope that The Last of Us part 2 will eventually come to pc so that I can play that as well since I haven't been able to play that.
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You can do that on a PC to just do like me.
Have a TV monitor plugin to the PC, get an Xbox or a PS controller you like to use the most, connect it to the PC and sit back and relax. And, you don't even need an Xbox for that, and if your PC is too far from your TV, use a Steam Link and play over the LAN network.
A console doesn't make Sence today, and you just limit yourself to Low FPS and to what the Console can run without a way to upgrade it. The only upside is Plug and Play, but even that is not as it used to be. Just look at cyberpunk 2077. When that came out, it was a broken game on Console and more or less unplayable, whereas, on PC, it was terrible but not as bad.

f33dm3bits said:
Also The Last of Us is coming to pc.
www.pcgamer.com

The Last of Us remake is coming to PC

It's out on PS5 on September 2, with a PC version 'in development.'
www.pcgamer.com www.pcgamer.com
I can't wait so that I can play it again but on pc this time but I also hope that The Last of Us part 2 will eventually come to pc so that I can play that as well since I haven't been able to play that.
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I have to say I was never a fan of that game. It feels over hype, and that's what I find a problem with most mainstream games. Also, why I rarely play them since they are over hype and not close to being as good as people say? The same with Days Gone and DEATH STRANDING I was disappointed, and you can say maybe its because it's not my kind of game, and you may be correct, but I find so many small indie games better than the big triples A games are today idk maybe they just feel all the same nowadays IDK.

My Steam Profile
steamcommunity.com

Steam Community :: Kiba Snowpaw

It's been a tough decision, but I've finally come to the conclusion that it's time for me to take a break from gaming or maybe even quit altogether.
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kibasnowpaw said:
You can do that on a PC to just do like me.
Have a TV monitor plugin to the PC, get an Xbox or a PS controller you like to use the most, connect it to the PC and sit back and relax. And, you don't even need an Xbox for that, and if your PC is too far from your TV, use a Steam Link and play over the LAN network.
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I sometimes use an Xbox 360 controller when I game on my pc at my desk depending on the game type. I have no interest in using my gaming pc as main gaming system for my tv in the living room. Even though I am all for Linux gaming I have found that some games I played under Linux just crashed or froze every now and the but those same games run without issues on my Xbox. I play mostly racing games and sometimes adventure type games on my Xbox and all the other types I play on my pc. So I find it a nice to get an experience of both worlds. I hadn't heard of Steam Link before, I'm going to check that out for sure.

As for The Last of Us, it's one of the games I found with the best stories and gameplay not because it was such a hype. I played through it twice because I enjoyed it so much and I rarely go through a complete game twice. I find Days Gone a fun game but not as good as The Last of Us. One of the games I enjoyed most in the recent years was Black Mesa. I'm not sure if I've played Indie games if you could name a few so I can have a look if they may interest me.

However I do have to say it's hard for me to find a game now days that I actually find fun and play all the way through. And there are games in my library that I bought but could not get into or maybe I just don't play them long enough to get into but I find if a game doesn't catch me in a couple of hours then it's not my type of game.
 
Steam is great, and getting better all the time in terms of Proton.
But....with a non-native game, you are at the mercy of the Dev and if they make a change that breaks things under Proton, you will be in trouble.
Armoured Warfare was just such a case. Worked fine one day, an update to the game came out, and it broke under Proton. Had to wait weeks for Proton to issue an update.
Yes, it's an edge case, but being dependent on another party to fix things can be frustrating.
 
f33dm3bits said:
I sometimes use an Xbox 360 controller when I game on my pc at my desk depending on the game type. I have no interest in using my gaming pc as main gaming system for my tv in the living room. Even though I am all for Linux gaming I have found that some games I played under Linux just crashed or froze every now and the but those same games run without issues on my Xbox. I play mostly racing games and sometimes adventure type games on my Xbox and all the other types I play on my pc. So I find it a nice to get an experience of both worlds. I hadn't heard of Steam Link before, I'm going to check that out for sure.

As for The Last of Us, it's one of the games I found with the best stories and gameplay not because it was such a hype. I played through it twice because I enjoyed it so much and I rarely go through a complete game twice. I find Days Gone a fun game but not as good as The Last of Us. One of the games I enjoyed most in the recent years was Black Mesa. I'm not sure if I've played Indie games if you could name a few so I can have a look if they may interest me.

However I do have to say it's hard for me to find a game now days that I actually find fun and play all the way through. And there are games in my library that I bought but could not get into or maybe I just don't play them long enough to get into but I find if a game doesn't catch me in a couple of hours then it's not my type of game.
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You can check out my youtube channel i play a lot of Games and Demo all on Linux i do have problems with some games. Still, most of the time, they run fine. my main concern is when they have a lot of rendering going on, like Rice of the tomb raider that has 38000+ graphic pipeline in 2 hours of gameplay, so it Sttudder a lot, not even FFXV has that many about 3000 graphic pipelines and its look a lot better than Rice of the tomb raider do so i not sure why it has that many can't remember how many FC5 has, but i don't think it's at that scale. And then there are games like Halo Inf. that just don't work, but they have said they will make it work soon, so I'm looking forward to that.

Noisebox said:
Steam is great, and getting better all the time in terms of Proton.
But....with a non-native game, you are at the mercy of the Dev and if they make a change that breaks things under Proton, you will be in trouble.
Armoured Warfare was just such a case. Worked fine one day, an update to the game came out, and it broke under Proton. Had to wait weeks for Proton to issue an update.
Yes, it's an edge case, but being dependent on another party to fix things can be frustrating.
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i play under wine with lutris i like it that way better; also easier to add and remove commands instead of steam LO, and i feel like most games run better that way. The only games that need OpenGL to run with no build-in engine to run it like Amorous and Dust: An Elysian Tail that i need native steam, and games like BioShock 3 that has a Vram problem on Nvidia card i cant get the fix in wine and need native steam to fix but besides those games then games do run well.
 
kibasnowpaw said:
You can check out my youtube channel i play a lot of Games and Demo all on Linux i do have problems with some games. Still, most of the time, they run fine. my main concern is when they have a lot of rendering going on, like Rice of the tomb raider that has 38000+ graphic pipeline in 2 hours of gameplay, so it Sttudder a lot, not even FFXV has that many about 3000 graphic pipelines and its look a lot better than Rice of the tomb raider do so i not sure why it has that many can't remember how many FC5 has, but i don't think it's at that scale. And then there are games like Halo Inf. that just don't work, but they have said they will make it work soon, so I'm looking forward to that.
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I'll checkout your channel and subscribe, I've played Rise of the Tomb Raider and the others in the series, I can't seem to remember to experience any stuttering with them. It seems now that Rise of the Tomb Raider and Shadow of the Tomb Raider have Linux natives.
 
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f33dm3bits said:
I''ll checkout your channel and subscribe, I've played Rise of the Tomb Raider and the others in the series, I can't seem to remember to experience any stuttering with them. It seems now that Rise of the Tomb Raider and Shadow of the Tomb Raider have Linux natives.
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yeah this was with DXVK not OpenGL (Native Steam) I run mostly only DXVK so I can make dxvk-caches and share here https://github.com/begin-theadventure/dxvk-caches also i can only run OpenGL in wine if its supported by the engine like Sakura Succubus is. and the ROTTR.dxvk-cache is about 10 MB which is a lot most game don't even hit 1mb so there is a lot of dxvk cache in that game. and if i completed 3 times more i think most of the stutter would had been gone since it would have compiled most of it.

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I was just going through my steam library, checking out which games can run automatically with Ubuntu and which ones don't, here's the list. Clearly, Windows has more compatibility, and i bought most of these games for windows initially, but clearly one could play steam games on linux and not run into any problems. EDIT: This is a list of games that you can install/play automatically with the steam client by itself:

Compatible games with linux:

Alien: Isolation
Animal Gods
The binding of Isaac: rebirth
Canterz Paranormies
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
Don't Starve
Hacknet
Hallow Knight
Insurgency
Metro Exodus
Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition
Orwell
Outlast
Papers, PLease
Portal
Portal 2
realMyst
Surgeon simulator
Terraria
Towerfall Ascension

Not Compatible:

Apotheon Arena
Acid Nimbus
Alan Wake
Battleborn
Battlerite
Blair Witch
Borderlands 3
Control Ultimate Edition
The Convienience Store
Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition
Dark Souls 3
Deceit
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Dirty Bomb
Disco Elysium
Doom II: Hell on Earth
Doom 3: BFG Edition
Doom Eternal
Dry Drowning
The Elder Scrolls Online
Evil Bank Manager
Fallout 76
Fallout 76 Test Server
Final Doom
LA Noire
Magic Duels
Master Levels for DOOM II
Myst III: Exile
Myst IV
Myst
Myst V
Night Trap
Phasmophobia
Resident Evil 0
RE 2
RE 4
RE 7
Ring of Elysium
Riven
Shenmue 1+2
Silver Creek Falls - Chapter 1
Tekken 7
Those Who Remain
The Ultimate DOOM
Uru: Complete Chronicles
 
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CrazedNerd said:
Not Compatible:

Apotheon Arena
Acid Nimbus
Alan Wake
Battleborn
Battlerite
Blair Witch
Borderlands 3
Control Ultimate Edition
The Convienience Store
Dark Souls: Prepare to Die Edition
Dark Souls 3
Deceit
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Dirty Bomb
Disco Elysium
Doom II: Hell on Earth
Doom 3: BFG Edition
Doom Eternal
Dry Drowning
The Elder Scrolls Online
Evil Bank Manager
Fallout 76
Fallout 76 Test Server
Final Doom
LA Noire
Magic Duels
Master Levels for DOOM II
Myst III: Exile
Myst IV
Myst
Myst V
Night Trap
Phasmophobia
Resident Evil 0
RE 2
RE 4
RE 7
Ring of Elysium
Riven
Shenmue 1+2
Silver Creek Falls - Chapter 1
Tekken 7
Those Who Remain
The Ultimate DOOM
Uru: Complete Chronicles
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I have played Borderlands 3 ,Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Doom Eternal on Linux through Proton, so there are probably more on your "Not Compatible" list that works on Linux.
 
CrazedNerd said:
yeah i should note that this is without installing anything other than the steam client
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Steam Play comes installed with the Linux Steam Client where you can selected whether you want to use Proton or Proton Experimental.
 
I turned on proton and now i have the option to install all those steam games! However, one should not expect the performance to be perfect. I've been playing portal 2 so far with an Xbox controller and i have not had any problems whatsoever.
 
CrazedNerd said:
I turned on proton and now i have the option to install all those steam games! However, one should not expect the performance to be perfect.
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Doom Eternal runs perfectly, it runs at 165 fps for me, same goes for Doom(2016). Borderlands 3 runs at a lower fps usually between 80 and 100 for me. So it differs per game depending on different variables that come into play depending on what performance you get.
 
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f33dm3bits said:
Doom Eternal runs perfectly, it runs at 165 fps for me, same goes for Doom(2016). Borderlands 3 runs at a lower fps usually between 80 and 100 for me. So it differs per game depending on different variables that come into play depending on what performance you get.
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That's good to know, because that's the one i wanted to install soon! I'm gonna have to do it in partial doses or find a way to tether my phone, because i only get 100GB a month for my desktop, lol.
 
CrazedNerd said:
I was just going through my steam library, checking out which games can run automatically with Ubuntu and which ones don't, here's the list. Clearly, Windows has more compatibility, and i bought most of these games for windows initially, but clearly one could play steam games on linux and not run into any problems. EDIT: This is a list of games that you can install/play automatically with the steam client by itself:

Not Compatible:

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Just bc you don't know how to run them, doesn't mean they're incompatible. Also, all Debian-based distros unfortunately need a library enema in order to run even a native linux game, let alone a windows one.
The only ACTUALLY incompatible games are those with Anti-Cheat protections - GameGuard, GameProtect and so on.

A few years ago Valve claimed GRID 2 to be "borked" for running in linux and they didn't figure it out how until I posted the solution on the ProtonDB website. I'm not quite sure why it has a thumb down icon but in any case it was my solution that changed the game's status on the database website.

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I managed to run even Photoshop 2019 on Linux - another piece of software that everybody was saying it was "borked", LOL (all I had to do was to put all the d3dY and dxgi libraries from the 64-bit DXVK in the program's directory where the EXE is located).
My point is that very few games are truly incompatible with linux and it's mostly due to third party software.
 
rado84 said:
Just bc you don't know how to run them, doesn't mean they're incompatible. Also, all Debian-based distros unfortunately need a library enema in order to run even a native linux game, let alone a windows one.
The only ACTUALLY incompatible games are those with Anti-Cheat protections - GameGuard, GameProtect and so on.

A few years ago Valve claimed GRID 2 to be "borked" for running in linux and they didn't figure it out how until I posted the solution on the ProtonDB website. I'm not quite sure why it has a thumb down icon but in any case it was my solution that changed the game's status on the database website.

9BL0Fyo.png


I managed to run even Photoshop 2019 on Linux - another piece of software that everybody was saying it was "borked", LOL (all I had to do was to put all the d3dY and dxgi libraries from the 64-bit DXVK in the program's directory where the EXE is located).
My point is that very few games are truly incompatible with linux and it's mostly due to third party software.
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That's very good news to me, reinforces my argument of the thread, but I suppose people will continue being kinda lazy and using windows anyway. I currently don't have any reason to use it.
 
Due to the content in the thread, I presume, AdSense is recommending Final Fantasy XIV "online". It also appears to be trying to show me a PS5/PS4 version. I dunno, I'm not a gamer.

My question is, can you play that online version - or does it require software on your computer, such as anti-cheat stuff? Are the assets fully online or do you need to run something locally? I rooted around at the linked site, but learned nothing.

Like:

store.na.square-enix-games.com

Square Enix Store | North America

Buy video games online at the Square Enix official store. Shop our top franchises including Final Fantasy, Nier, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest & more.
store.na.square-enix-games.com store.na.square-enix-games.com

I know some games are completely online, you need only a browser to run them. That seems a bit clunky for something like this (I'm familiar with the series) but I guess it'd work, though I'd think it's asking a whole lot from the browser. But, I have no idea the current state of the tech. The last gaming I really did was Fallout 2. Well, I did play KoL for a while, but that wasn't so much gaming as it was just pressing buttons to kill time.
 
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