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hp 15-bs212wm Laptop won't boot with ubuntu-18.10-desktop-amd64

billy chang

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Not just HP but most machines that you buy off the shelf.

They do that because they simply can't carry Linux on their product liability support.

As such they want you to void the warranty if you unblock the machine.

Definitely not a good idea if you just paid a lot of money for a new machine.
 
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wizardfromoz

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Klaatu, not happy with how this is going, but it is not about me, but about you and your dilemma.

Have you heard of WUBI? With it, you can install Ubuntu (only) on your HDD, within Windows.

You can read about its latest version, wubi-uefi, here

https://github.com/hakuna-m/wubiuefi/wiki

It is a workaround rather than a final solution to getting rid of the Dozer, but it has benefits over VMs for example, in that you get the full performance rather than having to allocate memory. You get Ubuntu on a startup menu, could be good for a while until we can nut this out.

Sing out if you are interested.

Chris
 

whatmecomment

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This seems fairly discouraging. At this point it looks like I may want to forget about going dual boot and just try to get ubuntu to install alone, so maybe I should ask a new question as this is changing. The reason I am considering ubuntu alone is due to my reviewing windows 10 behavior as this is a different windows 10 than the one I was familiar with on my old machine. This Windows 10 is completely untrustworthy, would not want it on a dual boot machine! When reviewing various attempts by Windows 10 to do updates, one familiar line of code is as follows;
"Notify User? NO."

Could go on & on but at this point would even reconsider doing business with a company that required Windows on it's business computers as they could never guarantee security.

A note of Logic, Updates are basically lines of code. The more lines of code there are the more likely there is for a vulnerability to be found, hence, a security update is unlogical. Yes there is such a word.

Well, Does an install of Ubuntu ALONE on this particular machine seem like a simple issue or should a railroad spike through this HP machine be gist for a youtube video?
 

wizardfromoz

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Beats me, Klaatu. You're the one who can make that decision.

I would take a look at Ubuntu MATE first, on a stick, https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/

... maybe even the Budgie desktop one, then make a choice on the one you like better and do the full install.

(I prefer MATE but that's me)

Wiz
 

whatmecomment

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\x66\x75\x63\x6B windows wipe it out & install ubuntu alone...deleting a windows partition always feels so liberating too...
Welllll, this certainly sounds like a good option, however lets be perfectly clear here.... Look at my partitions as they stand now. I have everything fully backed up, so not to worry. But what about efi, and boot seems to be in win... Have had conflicts before and you mentioned about needing a special driver when you wanted to redo a system, so are there any potential snags that will complicate things? My partition program can completely wipe the entire drive, but that may not be optimal or desired. Happy to lose windows partition but what about drivers etc? Could be possible to just go back to an earlier mint I have and let it delete windows as part of the install operation, but that does sound perhaps too easy with all the issues I've had so far. Sorry for asking so many questions up front on what should be simple, but you seem to have insight into this particular issue that might help.

Beats me, Klaatu. You're the one who can make that decision.

I would take a look at Ubuntu MATE first, on a stick, https://ubuntu-mate.org/download/

... maybe even the Budgie desktop one, then make a choice on the one you like better and do the full install.

(I prefer MATE but that's me)

Wiz
OK, will check it out as well, any other advice on my current issues would help too. I'd rather ask too many questions than not enough, but know that can be a hassle as no-one can know what the other person does not know...

Thanks All,

^ :rolleyes: ^
 

wizardfromoz

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....but what about drivers etc?
Drivers, drivers, drivers ... these can occasionally be problematic under Linux, but progressive work is constantly improving the situation. :)

About 2 - 3 years ago, decisions were taken at a high level to focus on adding drivers to the Linux Kernel itself, and to reduce the necessity for Linux Distro Developers to have to incorporate many, many drivers in their Repositories, and/or for Users to need to source drivers either from Manufacturers (if they bothered to produce them for Linux) or other sources.

Michael Larabel, who produces the Phoronix Test Suite, a benchmarking solution, has at his website information on the new Linux Kernel v5

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux-2019-features&num=1

... while you may not be using 5 for some time on some Linux, you'll get the idea from scanning down the page, on what sorts of driver issues are being addressed.

IMO the best way to check that your drivers are catered to is to use (with a view perhaps to installing, later) Persistence on a Live USB stick.

There is an article here from our friends at How-To Geek (HTG) on one solution

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/14912/create-a-persistent-bootable-ubuntu-usb-flash-drive/ and another option is Geza Kovacs' Unetbootin, which is cross-platform

https://unetbootin.github.io/

These Persistence methods are not confined to just Ubuntu, you can use them on Linux Mint and other Debian-derivatives, and more, but it may be a bit of trial and error to see which work.

So you might take an 8 GB USB, have your burning solution burn the Linux Distro's iso (usually around 1.8 to 3 GB) to the stick and add Persistence of up to 4 GB to that stick.

The limitation of 4 GB Persistence is one of MS-DOS 's MBR (FAT32), rather than that of Linux. We have ways to get around that if you wish to use a bigger stick, but 4 GB should be heaps for most Users.

Once my Persistent stick is burned, I can boot from it. I then usually change my wallpaper, maximise my mouse cursor, place GParted on my Panel, initiate my wifi connection, and generate a small text file on the desktop called Persistence (content "Did this work?"). I then reboot the stick, and if those changes persist, I am in business.

Now, in your case, Klaatu and other users, you, being a well-prepared sort of fellow, may have a pre-compiled list of for example:
  • Audio (sound)
  • Video (graphics, movies, including youtube clips)
  • Printers
  • Scanners
  • special keyboard
  • special (eg Gaming) mouse
  • obviously wifi, if you did not do before
  • etcetera
... and you can work through those and tick them off. If it works live, it should work installed.

Cheers

Wizard
 

whatmecomment

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Checked out the mate, only issue it seems to have is the same issue that the ubuntu had on a stick, dongle, usb flash install and that is it can not read the sd card. It recognizes the sd card but says the data is unreadable. I can't be sure it's just a driver issue, wanted to get all perfect before change, as if.

Windows 10 has gone ballistic with it's nonsense and spying. Actually has started moving files from C: to other drives. Other drives that it said had broken the system, liar machine code, grrr. All so it can download more nonsense updates. Here is a link to a recent online article about how bad these updates can be;

Microsoft Warns Windows 10 Update Is Crashing PCs

https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/04/17/microsoft-windows-10-problem-update-warning-upgrade-cost/#165138e37d27

Gotta get rid of that operating system, sure hope some form of Linux will install on this machine!
 

TechnoJunky

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One thing that you can do is to get a pen drive, large size (128? Gig) and install Linux on to it, as if it were a hard drive. I did this for a number of years so that I could use my work laptop as my own, after work. During the installation, since you don't really care a lot about Windows, to install the boot loader on SDA (the hard drive that Windows is installed on) and that will update the boot record to point to Grub on your pen drive. Then when you boot up, you don't have to tell the bios/uefi to boot to the pen drive, Grub will do it for you. I understand you don't necessarily want to have that pen drive in there all the time, or waste a USB port on it, but it may be the simplest solution.

You could also use part of the hard drive in the installation, say mount /home to SDA5 (I think that's where you said you were mounting root on the hard drive).
 

whatmecomment

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Well I went with the Mate, mate. With it on a flash drive I loaded mate and made sure the wifi was operational, then selected install from the desktop. When it offered me option to install - I selected Ubuntu Mate only - and allowed it to wipe the drive -removing windows boot and all. When offered update option I selected that so any possible updates on drivers would be updated. After install I rebooted and everything worked including flash (USB) drives. Have not tested the SD card slot.Wifi works. For sure Ubuntu Mate can be installed on this Laptop in case anyone wonders about that question.

So while unable to install dual boot w/windows I did get rid of the monster and that turned out to be vital. With last update that windows snuck in, it had disabled about half of my drivers on various devices and would not allow those drivers to be installed again. Keeping windows would have cost a fortune, have they gone insane?

Need to test a lot of various uses etc, on this system but guess this will close the question I asked, altho will check back on this question from time to time in case an answer to that question is found (Dual Boot). Microsoft should pay me back cash for an unusable system and they violated my privacy and deserve to be sued for those acts!
 

wizardfromoz

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What a heart-warming story, Klaatu :p. The bit about

So while unable to install dual boot w/windows I did get rid of the monster and that turned out to be vital.
... nearly brought a tear to my eye.

MATE is a good DE (Desktop Environment), one of my Faves, and I see that I should vote about it somewhere.

If you wish to reinstall Windows, it will override Linux and you would need to install Linux again. If the dualboot problems persist, that could be problematic.

I sailed along quite happily for 4 years without any Windows at all, starting with 3 Linux multi-booting (Ubuntu, Linux Mint and Zorin), and the numbers grew. Only reason I have Windows 10 now is because it shipped with the Dell last July, and Stan (@atanere ) asked me to keep it to help with Windows questions (yes, I'm talking about you, Stan :mad:, kidding, he's a Mate).

Otherwise I would blow it away and redeem the 55 GiB I emasculated it down to, and put another 3 Linux on my SSD :cool:

We don't usually close Threads around here, in case the OP (you) or others have need of it.

In closing, two (2) things I would advise

1. Find Terminal (Ctrl-Alt-t) and type and enter

Code:
sudo ufw enable
... it will start your Firewall in real time, and generate a script that will run at each startup/reboot.

2. Start reading up on Timeshift, at my Thread here

https://www.linux.org/threads/timeshift-similar-solutions-safeguard-recover-your-linux.15241/

... and ask any questions there.

It can save your bacon many times over.

Cheers and enjoy

Wiz
 

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