Having hard time - Video Streaming, Fan Speed, Core Temp Peppermint 10

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I m having a real hard time streaming movies from any site with linux tried many different distros
All pretty much the same cpu heats up fast and then fan at high speed highest speed i might add
Had no prob streaming with windows ten fan ran at low est speed you dont even hear it
So if this old dell vostro 3550 32 bit machine could run win 10 no prob why cant i get linux to work
I switched cause i could not stand the forced updates i hated that
So i switched i read all these articles how linux can revive old machines and lots of distros for 32 bit so i thought this is gonna be simple
Well if any one wants to take a stab at this would be greatly appreciated
I put down some stats here not sure what to include so here we go

Computer
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2310M CPU @ 2.10GHz
Memory 2930MB (793MB used)
Machine Type Portable
Operating System Peppermint 10 Ten
Display
Resolution 1920x1080 pixels
OpenGL Renderer Mesa DRI Intel(R) HD Graphics 3000 (SNB GT2)
X11 Vendor The X.Org Foundation
Audio Devices
Audio Adapter HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH

SCSI Disks
ATA WDC WD3200BPVT-0
HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GT32N
SanDisk Cruzer Spark
Generic- Multi-Card

Operating System
Version
Kernel Linux 5.4.0-67-generic (i686)
Version #75~18.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Tue Feb 23 19:12:31 UTC 2021
C Library GNU C Library / (Ubuntu GLIBC 2.27-3ubuntu1.4) 2.27
Distribution Peppermint 10 Ten

Sensors
Sensors
../../thermal_zone0/temp1 Temperature 53.50°C
coretemp/temp1 Temperature 56.00°C
coretemp/temp2 Temperature 55.00°C
coretemp/temp3 Temperature 55.00°C
dell_smm/fan1 Fan 0.00RPM
dell_smm/temp1 Temperature 53.00°C
dell_smm/temp2 Temperature 54.00°C
dell_smm/temp3 Temperature 48.00°C
dell_smm/temp4 Temperature 16.00°C
dell_smm/temp5 Temperature 71.00°C this reading here 71 is the problem its even higher on other distros starts at 80 goes higher and this reading is at idle if i start doing stuff it goes up fast
thermal/thermal_zone1 Temperature 57.00°C
thermal/thermal_zone0 Temperature 53.50°C


Filesystems
Mounted File Systems
udev /dev 0.00 % (1.4 GiB of 1.4 GiB)
tmpfs /run 0.79 % (283.9 MiB of 286.2 MiB)
/dev/sda1 / 55.46 % (56.3 GiB of 126.3 GiB)
tmpfs /dev/shm 0.00 % (1.4 GiB of 1.4 GiB)
tmpfs /run/lock 0.08 % (5.0 MiB of 5.0 MiB)
tmpfs /sys/fs/cgroup 0.00 % (1.4 GiB of 1.4 GiB)
/dev/loop0 /snap/core/10860 100.00 % (0.0 B of 94.2 MiB)
tmpfs /run/user/1000 0.01 % (286.2 MiB of 286.2 MiB)

Loaded Modules
binfmt_misc
ip6t_rpfilter Xtables: IPv6 reverse path filter match
ip_set ip_set: protocol 7
nfnetlink
ebtable_nat
ebtable_broute
ip6table_nat
ip6table_mangle ip6tables mangle table
ip6table_raw
ip6table_security ip6tables security table, for MAC rules
iptable_nat
iptable_mangle iptables mangle table
iptable_raw
iptable_security iptables security table, for MAC rules
ebtable_filter
ebtables
nls_utf8
isofs
uvcvideo USB Video Class driver
videobuf2_vmalloc vmalloc memory handling routines for videobuf2
videobuf2_memops common memory handling routines for videobuf2
videobuf2_v4l2 Driver helper framework for Video for Linux 2
videobuf2_common Media buffer core framework
videodev Video4Linux2 core driver
mc Device node registration for media drivers
intel_rapl_msr Driver for Intel RAPL (Running Average Power Limit) control via MSR interface
intel_rapl_common Intel Runtime Average Power Limit (RAPL) common code
x86_pkg_temp_thermal X86 PKG TEMP Thermal Driver
intel_powerclamp Package Level C-state Idle Injection for Intel CPUs
mei_hdcp MEI HDCP
snd_hda_codec_hdmi HDMI HD-audio codec
snd_hda_codec_idt IDT/Sigmatel HD-audio codec
dell_laptop Dell laptop driver
snd_hda_codec_generic Generic HD-audio codec parser
snd_hda_intel Intel HDA driver
ledtrig_audio LED trigger for audio mute control
dell_smm_hwmon Dell laptop SMM BIOS hwmon driver
kvm_intel
snd_intel_dspcfg Intel DSP config driver
snd_hda_codec HDA codec core
kvm
snd_hda_core HD-audio bus
snd_hwdep Hardware dependent layer
i915 Intel Graphics
iwldvm Intel(R) Wireless WiFi Link AGN driver for Linux
irqbypass IRQ bypass manager utility module
dell_wmi Dell laptop WMI hotkeys driver
mac80211 IEEE 802.11 subsystem
drm_kms_helper DRM KMS helper
snd_pcm Midlevel PCM code for ALSA.
crc32_pclmul
libarc4
dell_smbios Common functions for kernel modules using Dell SMBIOS
drm DRM shared core routines
snd_timer ALSA timer interface
dcdbas Dell Systems Management Base Driver (version 5.6.0-3.3)
i2c_algo_bit I2C-Bus bit-banging algorithm
iwlwifi Intel(R) Wireless WiFi driver for Linux
snd Advanced Linux Sound Architecture driver for soundcards.
dell_wmi_descriptor Dell WMI descriptor driver
rapl
fb_sys_fops Generic file read (fb in system RAM)
syscopyarea Generic copyarea (sys-to-sys)
intel_cstate
sysfillrect Generic fill rectangle (sys-to-sys)
sysimgblt 1-bit/8-bit to 1-32 bit color expansion (sys-to-sys)
sparse_keymap Generic support for sparse keymaps
cfg80211 wireless configuration support
joydev Joystick device interfaces
input_leds Input -> LEDs Bridge
soundcore Core sound module
wmi_bmof WMI embedded Binary MOF driver
serio_raw Raw serio driver
mei_me Intel(R) Management Engine Interface
mei Intel(R) Management Engine Interface
lpc_ich LPC interface for Intel ICH
dell_smo8800 Dell Latitude freefall driver (ACPI SMO88XX)
mac_hid
ip6t_REJECT Xtables: packet "rejection" target for IPv6
nf_reject_ipv6
nf_log_ipv6 Netfilter IPv6 packet logging
xt_hl Xtables: Hoplimit/TTL field match
ip6t_rt Xtables: IPv6 Routing Header match
ipt_REJECT Xtables: packet "rejection" target for IPv4
nf_reject_ipv4
nf_log_ipv4 Netfilter IPv4 packet logging
nf_log_common
xt_LOG Xtables: IPv4/IPv6 packet logging
xt_limit Xtables: rate-limit match
xt_tcpudp Xtables: TCP, UDP and UDP-Lite match
xt_addrtype Xtables: address type match
xt_conntrack Xtables: connection tracking state match
ip6table_filter ip6tables filter table
ip6_tables IPv6 packet filter
nf_conntrack_netbios_ns NetBIOS name service broadcast connection tracking helper
sch_fq_codel
nf_conntrack_broadcast
nf_nat_ftp ftp NAT helper
nf_nat
nf_conntrack_ftp ftp connection tracking helper
nf_conntrack
nf_defrag_ipv6
coretemp Intel Core temperature monitor
nf_defrag_ipv4
iptable_filter iptables filter table
bpfilter
parport_pc PC-style parallel port driver
ppdev
lp
sunrpc
parport
ip_tables IPv4 packet filter
x_tables {ip,ip6,arp,eb}_tables backend module
autofs4
btrfs
xor
zstd_compress Zstd Compressor
raid6_pq RAID6 Q-syndrome calculations
libcrc32c CRC32c (Castagnoli) calculations
ums_realtek Driver for Realtek USB Card Reader
uas
usb_storage USB Mass Storage driver for Linux
hid_generic HID generic driver
usbhid USB HID core driver
hid
r8169 RealTek RTL-8169 Gigabit Ethernet driver
ahci AHCI SATA low-level driver
psmouse PS/2 mouse driver
libahci Common AHCI SATA low-level routines
realtek Realtek PHY driver
wmi ACPI-WMI Mapping Driver
video ACPI Video Driver
 


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G'day @roboagogo and welcome to linux.org :)

I'm moving this Thread to Linux Hardware because it is likely a hardware issue or has a software tweak for the hardware (Linux Audio/Video is another alternative), and in Getting Started or General Linux you can just slip pages back with the volume of questions posted and fall into a crack.

Viewers will be re-directed.

https://linux.org/forums/linux-hardware.150/

Good luck

Chris Turner
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Nice call with Peppermint 10 one of my Faves :)
 

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Well thanks for pointing that out kglll i appreciate your effort and thank you
So a friend gave me this laptop 3 or 4 years ago he upgraded it from win7 to win 10
The monitor would not work anymore so he bought new one and gave this to me
When i first got monitor going i checked stats and it said 32 bitt never dawned on me that he installed wrong os
I i have seen around on this machine a term 86 64 and for some reason my brain only saw the 86
And makes me think 32 bit
So anyways i seen your post late last night went to link u postted and was pleasantly surprised
So proceeded to download and install 64 bit peppermint os
And now i can also install brave browser one of my must haves
And that made me very happy cause i do like linux i see the beauty in it made some other mistakes and was able to fix it in terminal with some help so im impressed with that
But problem persists im running 64 bit peppermint and temp readings are the same
dell_smm-virtual-0
Adapter: Virtual device
Processor Fan: 0 RPM
CPU: +54.0°C
Other: +54.0°C
Other: +49.0°C
GPU: +16.0°C
Other: +71.0°C this one is still high as soon as i stream its going to 80 and beyond

coretemp-isa-0000
Adapter: ISA adapter
Package id 0: +57.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +85.0°C)
Core 0: +57.0°C (ssue issue juhigh = +80.0°C, crit = +85.0°C)
Core 1: +55.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +85.0°C)

So im still pretty sure this is some kind of software issue
 

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They're all pretty good, except 'other' and I have no idea what 'other' is in this instance.

So, does the device feel very hot?

In your browser, as you're using one based on Chromium, open up the settings and disable hardware acceleration.

Also, have you considered cleaning the inside of the device?
 

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dell_smm/fan1 Fan 0.00RPM
dell_smm/temp5 Temperature 71.00°C
Processor Fan: 0 RPM
Other: +71.0°C this one is still high as soon as i stream its going to 80 and beyond
Have you checked to determine if all fans are operating?

I wonder if "other" may be a hard drive thermal sensor?

It is possible the hard drive is overheating.

I would try running a distro from a 'Live CD' or USB. Perhaps even disconnecting the hard drive, booting the 'Live' .iso disk, and check temperatures.

P.S. I just occurred to me that the system is rather low on the RAM Memory scale.
Perhaps when streaming video the system is hitting the SWAP space of the hard drive a lot.
Memory 2930MB (793MB used)
 

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They're all pretty good, except 'other' and I have no idea what 'other' is in this instance.

So, does the device feel very hot?

In your browser, as you're using one based on Chromium, open up the settings and disable hardware acceleration.

Also, have you considered cleaning the inside of the device?
They're all pretty good, except 'other' and I have no idea what 'other' is in this instance.

So, does the device feel very hot?
2 weeks ago and cleaned all dust
In your browser, as you're using one based on Chromium, open up the settings and disable hardware acceleration.

Also, have you considered cleaning the inside of the device?
the most info i can get on other is this from hard info
coretemp/temp1 Temperature 56.00°C
coretemp/temp2 Temperature 55.00°C
coretemp/temp3 Temperature 55.00°C
dell_smm/fan1 Fan 0.00RPM
dell_smm/temp1 Temperature 53.00°C
dell_smm/temp2 Temperature 54.00°C
dell_smm/temp3 Temperature 48.00°C
dell_smm/temp4 Temperature 16.00°C
dell_smm/temp5 Temperature 71.00°C
and as far as hardware acceleration is concerned yes i always shut that off
Well when the cpu temp rises i feel underneath i guess its not too bad
But the thing that bugs me the most is the fan it goes at its fastest speed like i was playing a game with heavy duty graphics or something like that
And yes i opened it up and cleaned all the dust out 11 years worth im guessing
So i know anything can go wrong with anything like you can drive your car somewhere get out come back an hour latter it does not start it happens
But the thing that i wonder about is it was fine 2 weeks ago with win 10
Im kinda wondering just for experimental purposes if i should install windows to see what happens
I dont want to im digging linux i want to stay i love that i now can choose WHEN I WANT TO INSTALL UPDATES not when my machine tells me i really hate that
So whatever happens with this dell its ok cause its been an awesome warhorse for me and everything will work out like its supposed to
 

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Have you installed all updates for Peppermint 10.

What program are you using to monitor and display temperatures.

Have you run and configured lm-sensors.

open terminal and copy and paste

sudo sensors-detect

press enter
and then enter your password and press enter

answer yes
to all of the questions and follow the prompts

Running the above may make a difference in what is displayed however I doubt it will but it needs to be done as a process of elimination.

Older Dell computers are notorious for not having sensors to display fan speed as I own several old Dell computers and none display fan speed.
 

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It may also be worth trying one of the fan control methods for Linux. (There are a number of them and they're documented well enough for a search engine to help you out.)

But, seriously, try disabling hardware acceleration in your browser. It sounds counterintuitive, but give it a shot - and then restart the browser to make sure the changes are in effect.
 

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Have you installed all updates for Peppermint 10.

What program are you using to monitor and display temperatures.

Have you run and configured lm-sensors.

open terminal and copy and paste

sudo sensors-detect

press enter
and then enter your password and press enter

answer yes
to all of the questions and follow the prompts

Running the above may make a difference in what is displayed however I doubt it will but it needs to be done as a process of elimination.

Older Dell computers are notorious for not having sensors to display fan speed as I own several old Dell computers and none display fan speed.
sensors and psensor

yes i have configured it

UMMM this one shows me fan speed
fan on this old dell does not run too much actually the thing is everything is fine for surfing viewing websites but as soon as i stream vids she takes off on me fan kicks in high and wont stop for like 5 min after shutting down vid really annoying
But earlier KGIII pointed out my pc was actually 64 bit long story short i installed peppermint 64 bit and it holds i still have the 70 to 74 temp but that reading does not cause the fan to run high cause the cpu temp holds at about 62 and fan goes at about 2900 which is like a whisper
So thats fine i will take that but as im sittin there my brain is wondering about that high temp that i did not have before
But im gonna keep looking into it though
 

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It may also be worth trying one of the fan control methods for Linux. (There are a number of them and they're documented well enough for a search engine to help you out.)

But, seriously, try disabling hardware acceleration in your browser. It sounds counterintuitive, but give it a shot - and then restart the browser to make sure the changes are in effect.
Yes i always do that i actually dont know why i do everyone says to
And i do like having the least amount of things working so that always works for me
But in this instance it does not make a difference being on or off
 

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Have you checked to determine if all fans are operating?

I wonder if "other" may be a hard drive thermal sensor?

It is possible the hard drive is overheating.

I would try running a distro from a 'Live CD' or USB. Perhaps even disconnecting the hard drive, booting the 'Live' .iso disk, and check temperatures.

P.S. I just occurred to me that the system is rather low on the RAM Memory scale.
Perhaps when streaming video the system is hitting the SWAP space of the hard drive a lot.
Have you checked to determine if all fans are operating?

I wonder if "other" may be a hard drive thermal sensor?

It is possible the hard drive is overheating.

I would try running a distro from a 'Live CD' or USB. Perhaps even disconnecting the hard drive, booting the 'Live' .iso disk, and check temperatures.

P.S. I just occurred to me that the system is rather low on the RAM Memory scale.
Perhaps when streaming video the system is hitting the SWAP space of the hard drive a lot.
Well i did take it apart to clean dust
I actually cant confirm if all fans are working the only one i can say for sure is the one on the left
The main intake I thought about the harddrive as well it could be
the thing is everything was fine on win 10 2 weeks ago i know anything can malfunction at any time
And i tried a ton of distro on live usb and here is the funny thing every distro i tried maybe like 20 of them all had different temps for other
Alt workstation other reading was 81 at idle
Linux mint different desktops and flavours all the same other reading was 72 at idle
Zorin at idle 75
mx linux 75 at idle
A whole bunch of lightweight distros they ran good low temp but streaming with those where a nightmare
so many i lost track
The only one to run beautiful was trisquel mate on live usb other temp was in the 50 would go up but thats to be expected fan actually never came on much at all when it did fan ran at 2900 whisper u cant hear it
So last night before i found out i actually had a 64 bit machine yeah im kind of embarrassed about that
I installed trisquell and it did not run the same temps where up not usable
So thats when i installed peppermint 64 bit
Its doing allright as i write this i can stream now but that 70 temp is still there its just one of those things that bugs a guy you know
You see im not to well off i have not payed for a pc in like 20 years
People give me broken not working equipment and i make it go some how i dont really know how i make it go i just do
So at the end of the day this old dell has been a real war horse for me 4 years trouble frree and also for free given to me broken
So if it is the hard drive i guess im gonna have to break out one of the old delll opti plexs in my closet
Let the good times roll
 

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Hmm... In all these cases, was it always Brave browser?
No it was an updated Firefox
I just installed brave this morning
Still have the 70 reading but it is now holding there cpu 62 does not cause fan to run fast 2 level speed that's ok it's kind of doing alright I guess
Ummmmm I just found out last night I have a 64 bit machine
So all the distros I tested where 32 bit with Firefox
How embarassing for me you have no idea
 

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Ummmmm I just found out last night I have a 64 bit machine
I know. I was the one who told you! ;-)

So, it is playing and not stuttering? That's a good sign.

I did go through the thread and saw you don't have a whole lot of RAM. If possible, you might want to upgrade that. Modern Linux distros can be pretty RAM intensive - especially when you're using a browser. Even the lightest distro out there still doesn't negate the weighty browsers and web sites (unless you use a lightweight browser which probably has limited functionality).

You can try making good use of a swap partition or swapfile. Just remember that swap isn't where the kernel stuffs stuff when it's out of RAM, it's much more complicated than that. It won't make it magical, but it may improve performance.

Another performance increase can be had from changing to an SSD from an HDD. But, that only improves things that have to do with the drive, when the drive itself was the bottleneck. So, read and writes to the drive will be improved. Applications will load faster, the system will start faster, and if you're pumping a lot of data through the browser then it may also help with storing and accessing the browser's temp files ever so slightly - and I do mean slightly.
 

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I know. I was the one who told you! ;-)

So, it is playing and not stuttering? That's a good sign.

I did go through the thread and saw you don't have a whole lot of RAM. If possible, you might want to upgrade that. Modern Linux distros can be pretty RAM intensive - especially when you're using a browser. Even the lightest distro out there still doesn't negate the weighty browsers and web sites (unless you use a lightweight browser which probably has limited functionality).

You can try making good use of a swap partition or swapfile. Just remember that swap isn't where the kernel stuffs stuff when it's out of RAM, it's much more complicated than that. It won't make it magical, but it may improve performance.

Another performance increase can be had from changing to an SSD from an HDD. But, that only improves things that have to do with the drive, when the drive itself was the bottleneck. So, read and writes to the drive will be improved. Applications will load faster, the system will start faster, and if you're pumping a lot of data through the browser then it may also help with storing and accessing the browser's temp files ever so slightly - and I do mean slightly.
Yeah started getting so many responses
That I just started answering everyone lost track of who was who I'm 60 this is the first time in my life I have ever registered and asked for PC help
So I would like to thank you and all those who replied with advice
For those about to rock I salute u
Ok so since installing 64 bit it's going at an acceptable rate
Still have the 70 reading but cpu holding at 62 while streaming through brave so no fan noise it's on just at first level.
Looks good playing well
About the ram I totally agree with you
It's just that for me taking apart a tower and installing components it's become second nature but a laptop I don't like taking those apart they never go back together for me
You know as long as this one can keep streaming from Amazon like it is right now I'm fine with that
Believe it or not just can't afford to put any money into this old girl
Is swapiness the same as the as swap file or swap partition
Cause I did change swapiness rating
But new to Linux so I'm still feeling my way around finding out Linux tricks
Actually I just checked sensors cause I'm watching chucky
And it actually improved from the last movie last movie that other temo was holding at 70 now it's 63
I did install all updates about 4 hours ago maybe that had some good mojo in it
Wow that's a very good sign
I was thinking maybe hard drive was the temp problem but now that I just seen the temp drop that gives me a good feeling
 

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Around here, that makes you the young'un.

Not quite, but a lot of us are pretty old.
Really then i had this misconceived notion
That linux folk are hipster types
how long have you been running with linux
oh just took this 5 min ago its just been settling in all day now is that even possible
Package id 0: +62.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +85.0°C)
Core 0: +60.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +85.0°C)
Core 1: +58.0°C (high = +80.0°C, crit = +85.0°C)
temp1: +58.5°C (crit = +84.0°C)
Processor Fan: 3294 RPM
CPU: +58.0°C
Other: +61.0°C
Other: +51.0°C
GPU: +16.0°C
And that was while streaming
 

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how long have you been running with linux
That varies. You could do an introduction thread and ask that question.

Me? I used Unix back in the day, being first a DEC and then a Sun shop more than anything else. We used Windows on desktops. I sold my business in 2007 and 'retired' (I suck at retiring) and started using Linux exclusively not all that much later.

We all have varied stories. Some are new, some not so much.

Anyhow, those temps are pretty solid. I'd not worry about any of those. I'd consider this thread more or less wrapped up.

We try to keep the gabbing to a minimum in the support threads (try being the key word) so that those following search engine links can more easily find help. I'd absolutely encourage you to start an introduction thread where you (and the rest of us) can gab until our fingers are sore.
 
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