Does everyone have this much trouble with Manjaro or is it just me?

DannyT

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Since I installed Majaro, I've had nothing but problems - it's slightly better than when I tried Ubuntu Gamepack (the system did not run well - even though I had a powerful machine it would regularly go unresponsive for no reason) but nothing I've tried runs properly. I've scoured all over for solutions, but nothing has worked.

For gaming, the vast majority of games that I want to play with friends simply don't run, have horrible bugs when I play them, or crash almost immediately. I was told that Lutris makes games run better, but I tried it and it made zero difference. I also can't get Virtual Box to work. I think something went wrong in the installation; it's probably because Wine insists on installing varying versions of .NET, which I installed multiple times, but it doesn't seem like it's actually worked when I did even though the terminal says that it was successful every time I try it. I have tried several solutions, and then gave up because none of them were working. Not that it matters, because most of the anti-cheat software is going to kick me immediately when it detects a VM, so anything multiplayer has to run on my regular OS.

I know that Manjaro is basically Arch, but with a bunch of stuff installed when you first start out. At least, that's what most people have told me and what most of the articles that I read about Manjaro describe it as. I also heard that Arch is on the bleeding edge and not always reliable, but I had no idea that I'd have this much trouble. I guess I'm just trying to figure out of this is a general problem across all Linux distros, or if this is more of an Arch/Manjaro thing...

I also can't run my tablet drivers for doing art, which was kind of the purpose of buying this new, beefier system anyways. My old computer was so bad, it could barely run GIMP with any of its stroke correction, much less something with more features and probably require even more resources.

I really want to stay on Linux, but if this what it's going to be like on every distro, I may have to switch back...
 


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G'day Danny - I run 6 Manjaro and have little in the way of problems, but I don't Game.

Just read Andy's @captain-sensible 's input and I would disagree. If you keep loading more and more comments, the detractors are limited to a small number, repeatedly posting.

Danny which DE (Desktop Environment) are you using?

Also, from Terminal, you could give us the output from

Code:
inxi -Fxz
to give us broad specs for your custom rig.

The tablet issue would be better served with its own Thread.

Helpers might be assisted by acquainting themselves with Danny's previous Threads, as follows

https://linux.org/threads/trouble-picking-a-distro.30471/

https://linux.org/threads/trouble-installing-previous-version-of-visual-studio.30736/

https://linux.org/threads/troubles-with-playing-skyrim-on-a-ps3-gamepad.30785/

Cheers

Wizard
 

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Your two best options for gaming on Linux are Lutris and Steam/Proton, but looks they are still working on getting Anti-Cheat software to work with Proton/Wine. For your experience with Manjaro I have read somewhere that Manjaro goes a bit off from Arch and does it's own thing, you are probably better off running Arco or EndeavourOS since they tend to stick closer to vanilla Arch. I switched over to Arch a year ago, I really haven't run into any problems, since I switched over all my games run better because of the bleeding edge software.

I usually only play single-player games and sometimes multiplayer but the multi-player games I play are much older. All of the more recent games single-player games I play(Doom 2016, Doom Eternal, Borderlands 3, Black Mesa, Tomb Raider series and some others) run on Steam/Proton, some of them natively supported but most of them on proton. I did buy Serious Sam 4 yesterday and it seems it was working before they did an update and now it crashes when launching I suspect it will get fixed eventually so I might just get a refund until they have it fixed. However I can tell you that in the last couple of years gaming on Linux has gotten a lot better than how it was before that. If you want to play every game you have in your Steam/Lutris library than you are better off dual-booting with Windows, but my argument to that is you are never going to be playing 100+ games once.
 

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Manjaro is to Arch as Ubuntu is to Debian, in the case if it being a derivative of those projects as opposed to being based.

For virtualbox, you didn't explain to hus how you went about installing it onto your system. Did you do it through the graphical package manager. If so did you install the linux kernel modules that are indicative (matching in this case) to the kernel you are currently running (Source: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/VirtualBox). If so then run this command in the terminal:
Code:
sudo vboxreload
then reboot. It should work by this point. Also what do you mean by .NET? Virtualbox is available natively on Linux.

For games, it depends on a wide variety of factors such as if you are using a Nvidia card, in which case you should install the proprietary drivers? If you are using Steam, do you have Steam Play enabled across all titles in your settings. GOG titles should work across Lutris if there is a script available. There are multiplayer games on Linux and/or playable on Wine or Proton. It's those anti-cheats that are based in the kernel level that are difficult to get running. There are some talks with Valve to get Easy Anticheat working on Linux across Proton/Wine. Also what games are you playing? You can check protondb or Wine HQ's appdb, to give a general idea on its compatibility and what tweaks (if any) can be done.

For graphical tablets, it is not my specialty but I believe installing the wacom drivers should fix that issue.

[Brief rant] Some Linux users have this mentality that if a distribution doesn't work 100% right for them then that is a problem with the distribution for everyone and not for a small subset of people. If you listen to what everyone says online, you would hear that every OS is trash.
In addition, bleeding edge does not equal to unreliable. It offers a different experience and more up to date software. This might not suite everyone's personal preferences or needs which is fine. But the length some Linux users go to to berate another OS for doing something different is manipulative to say the least.

Not every distribution would work flawlessly for everyone for every case. If I may ask but what CPU and GPU are you using for your system. And why did you use Ubuntu Gamepack as opposed to vanilla Ubuntu or PopOS which are both more popular. (The latter of which have all you need for gaming either preinstalled onto the system or available in their graphical package manager; PopShop). Or SalientOS which have everything you would need for gaming preinstalled and is based within Arch.

Anyways back to Manjaro, try doing what was recommended in the paragraphs above and see if that doesn't fix your issues.
 

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G'day Danny - I run 6 Manjaro and have little in the way of problems, but I don't Game.

Just read Andy's @captain-sensible 's input and I would disagree. If you keep loading more and more comments, the detractors are limited to a small number, repeatedly posting.

Danny which DE (Desktop Environment) are you using?

Also, from Terminal, you could give us the output from

Code:
inxi -Fxz
to give us broad specs for your custom rig.

The tablet issue would be better served with its own Thread.

Helpers might be assisted by acquainting themselves with Danny's previous Threads, as follows

https://linux.org/threads/trouble-picking-a-distro.30471/

https://linux.org/threads/trouble-installing-previous-version-of-visual-studio.30736/

https://linux.org/threads/troubles-with-playing-skyrim-on-a-ps3-gamepad.30785/

Cheers

Wizard
i guess i should really try it !
 

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I have heard both good and bad about Manjaro. Never run it myself so can't comment on its qualities.

Probably what it comes down to is some machines it will run like a dream, some other people have reported problems. There are other distros which have similar problems - nothing to do with the quality of the distro though just some machines are right fussy like my dv6000 HP.

Anyway try some of the tips mentioned here before changing distros.
 

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Man, I love manjaro. I am a bit of a computer nerd, and I got my father's hand me down Dell N5110, with pirated windows 7. Duck windows, I love Manjaro, as it was the most recommended system by linus in linus tech tips at the time.(Yeah I watch LTT). I am typing in google in a manjaro os, and I love the responsiveness. Steam, google and Word is all I care, and I was crushed to see Mozilla. Nani?
But with the help of the great manjaro forum, I got up and running in seconds. No google? makepkg. Install and boom. Steam? It comes preinstalled! Don't forget proton and soldier. Only destiny 2 was the thing Linux wouldn't run, but honestly, the laptop can't handle it, and it is bungie's fault for removing support for linux anyways. Word? AHAHAHAHAHAHAH. LibreOfiice. Still not over the breakup though with microsoft word. And the awesome amount of aur repositories through which you can download apps intended for windows only. But now the real complaints start:
1. Muck Time. It doesn't work
2. Bluetooth support is horrible
3. Drivers, yeah don't talk about that or they will get crashed (pun intended)
4. No reliable antivirus. Puk you clamav.
5. It needs a hell lotta tuning to get right.
6. THE WORST PART, DISABLE TOUCHPAD WHILE TYPING ABSOLUTELY CRASHED MY STANDARDS AS GAMER.
7. That's it
8. Install Xfce, I recommend you. It brought new life into this laptop
 

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manjaro now has version with xfce : https://manjaro.org/downloads/official/xfce/ i think i'm going to download and give it a spin

On drivers i read some feature where it dectects your hardware and there is a facility to download them , even choice of kernels ? I know nothing about manjaro and should have known better in first comment to make a comment , in first comment not knowing
 
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f33dm3bits

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manjaro now has version with xfce : https://manjaro.org/downloads/official/xfce/ i think i'm going to download and give it a spin

On drivers i read some feature where it dectects your hardware and there is a facility to download them , even choice of kernels ? I know nothing about manjaro and should have known better in first comment to make a comment , in first comment not knowing
I would think you have access to the same kernels as Arch so you can choose which you want to install.
 

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well i have the download i will try and boot from usb via ventoy later ..That was easier than i thought. On it now live , wifi card works ..
You can boot the xfce from ventoy
Its giving me kernel
5.8.11-1-MANJARO

one wacky thing why do they copy Ubuntu with "sudo" when you can just log in with root ?
sudo pacman -Syu

ok so you can get to root via
$ sudo su

ok this needs some more playing with, but xfce manjaro live fast
 

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DannyT

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Danny which DE (Desktop Environment) are you using?
I went with the KDE-Plasma DE, because I'm not a big fan of Gnome.

Also, from Terminal, you could give us the output from

Code:
inxi -Fxz
to give us broad specs for your custom rig.

Code:
System:    Kernel: 5.8.6-1-MANJARO x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.19.5 Distro: Manjaro Linux
Machine:   Type: Desktop System: Gigabyte product: Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI v: N/A serial: <filter>
           Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI-CF v: x.x serial: <filter> UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: F11
           date: 10/15/2019
Battery:   Device-1: hidpp_battery_0 model: Logitech Wireless Mouse charge: 55% (should be ignored) status: Discharging
CPU:       Topology: 8-Core model: Intel Core i7-9700K bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Kaby Lake rev: D L2 cache: 12.0 MiB
           flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 57616
           Speed: 800 MHz min/max: 800/4900 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 800 2: 800 3: 800 4: 800 5: 800 6: 800 7: 800 8: 800
Graphics:  Device-1: NVIDIA TU116 [GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nvidia v: 450.66 bus ID: 01:00.0
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.8 driver: nvidia resolution: 1: 1920x1080~60Hz 2: 1920x1080~60Hz
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 450.66 direct render: Yes
Audio:     Device-1: Intel Cannon Lake PCH cAVS vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1f.3
           Device-2: NVIDIA TU116 High Definition Audio vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.8.6-1-MANJARO
Network:   Device-1: Intel Wireless-AC 9560 [Jefferson Peak] driver: iwlwifi v: kernel bus ID: 00:14.3
           IF: wlo1 state: down mac: <filter>
           Device-2: Intel Ethernet I219-V vendor: Gigabyte driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: efa0 bus ID: 00:1f.6
           IF: eno2 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 1.82 TiB used: 212.36 GiB (11.4%)
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST2000DM008-2FR102 size: 1.82 TiB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 1.79 TiB used: 212.36 GiB (11.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/dm-0
Swap:      Alert: No Swap data was found.
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 32.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nvidia temp: 37 C
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nvidia fan: 0%
Info:      Processes: 269 Uptime: 7d 19h 28m Memory: 31.30 GiB used: 3.17 GiB (10.1%) Init: systemd Compilers: gcc: 10.2.0
           Packages: 1317 Shell: Bash v: 5.0.18 inxi: 3.1.05
Manjaro is to Arch as Ubuntu is to Debian, in the case if it being a derivative of those projects as opposed to being based.

For virtualbox, you didn't explain to hus how you went about installing it onto your system. Did you do it through the graphical package manager. If so did you install the linux kernel modules that are indicative (matching in this case) to the kernel you are currently running (Source: https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/VirtualBox). If so then run this command in the terminal:
Code:
sudo vboxreload
then reboot. It should work by this point. Also what do you mean by .NET? Virtualbox is available natively on Linux.
I think I might have been misremembering the issue for VirtualBox. It was a little while ago, and the .NET issue with Wine has been so prevalent in just about everything that doesn't work, I guess I misremembered. I installed it through the graphical package manager, and every time I tried to run a Windows VM it would error out. I'll probably make its own thread, because I remember trying a handful of fixes that didn't work. Can't remember off the top of my head what the error said though.

For games, it depends on a wide variety of factors such as if you are using a Nvidia card, in which case you should install the proprietary drivers? If you are using Steam, do you have Steam Play enabled across all titles in your settings. GOG titles should work across Lutris if there is a script available. There are multiplayer games on Linux and/or playable on Wine or Proton. It's those anti-cheats that are based in the kernel level that are difficult to get running. There are some talks with Valve to get Easy Anticheat working on Linux across Proton/Wine. Also what games are you playing? You can check protondb or Wine HQ's appdb, to give a general idea on its compatibility and what tweaks (if any) can be done.
I do happen to be using an Nvidia card as seen above, but I'm pretty sure I installed Nvidia's drivers. I installed them through the GUI as recommended when I realized that the drivers were why my games weren't running at all. So I hope I did it right - it seemed to find Nvidia drivers and installed them so it seems like I got the right ones. Steam Proton has been a little bit inconsistent. I tested it out with Skyrim - not exactly the most hardware-intensive game out there, but can require a bit of a beefy PC to run on ultra settings. Actually, Skyrim is one of the few games that I got to run, even if it wasn't correctly. I had initially used the fix available for the missing voice and music once, reinstalled it because after that gamepad inputs crashed the game, then trying the fix again just had no effect whatsoever; not sure what's going on there, but if I decide to play it, then I just play it with half the sound missing. :/

With regards to GOG, I grabbed a few of the installers from my library first, and somehow Roller Coaster Tycoon ran like a charm - maybe because it was written in assembly. But Oblivion was an issue. The installer itself was completely broken when I tried to run it without Lutris. After managing to get it installed on Lutris, it had to go into the "starts but crashes" category because it would consistently crash about 2-5 minutes after starting a new game. Even if I speedran character creation and only picked a name and race, the "w" key was always being held down even though I wasn't touching the keyboard. Very strange.

For graphical tablets, it is not my specialty but I believe installing the wacom drivers should fix that issue.
I have a Gaomon Pen Display, and their installer for Windows causes Wine to bring back the dreaded .NET issue, this time for .NET 2.0. Usually it's a later version of .NET when I get this issue, but like I've said above, I have installed multiple versions of .NET with the command line, where it shows no issues, but it didn't fix any of Wine's missing .NET issues. There was a way to get it running on Ubuntu that the users came up with but I have no idea if the fix is applicable to Manjaro. They also don't seem to offer their drivers in any other form than the .exe installer.

Not every distribution would work flawlessly for everyone for every case. If I may ask but what CPU and GPU are you using for your system. And why did you use Ubuntu Gamepack as opposed to vanilla Ubuntu or PopOS which are both more popular. (The latter of which have all you need for gaming either preinstalled onto the system or available in their graphical package manager; PopShop). Or SalientOS which have everything you would need for gaming preinstalled and is based within Arch.
You can see my machine's general stats above in my reply to WizardFromOz.

I honestly didn't have any experience with how many Distros Linux had before starting this little foray into custom PC building. I just googled around, and got recommended Ubuntu Gamepack after posting in the Getting Started forum. When that didn't work, I just picked a distro that had KDE-Plasma DE available on installation because my installation of KDE-Plasma on Ubuntu did not go well, and Manjaro seemed to be thought of pretty highly. A lot of people seemed to like it because it was like Arch, but easier to use and get everything started. But, even though I've been trying new things and looking into Linux stuff for at least a month, I didn't hear about PopOS until about a week ago, and I'm just now hearing of SalientOS.

I also think I picked Manjaro because I looked up some articles that said something to the effect of, "Manjaro is just as good at gaming as any other distro - potentially better if you know what you're doing." I could be butchering that paraphrasing of the article, but I forget exactly where I found it. I took it at face value and was like, "Good enough for me" and tried Manjaro.

While this is my first time actually picking a distro and using it on my own machine, I've done some work with Linux on servers, so I was like, "Yeah, sure, I bet I'm ready for this." Famous last words, right?
 
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