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[KGIII]

That looks good to me. I don't know if there are other vulnerabilities beyond WebRTC as I'm a bit out of the loop for a few months. (I've been otherwise engaged and not always able to keep up with the security news.)

 

[Terminal Velocity]

EDIT Tutanota is banned in Russia and Egypt. They probably don't like Tutanota's name or logo, right?

The rule of thumb is that if it is banned in enough regimes then it is probably good, I just prefer Proton

 

[Condobloke]

if china doesn't like it, then you know you're on a winner

 

[CaffeineAddict]

Proton instead of... Tutanota? I thought they both were privacy focused emails.

Tutanota because it's in Germany is subject to German laws which are not as privacy friendly and swiss laws which apply to Proton.
google out about swiss privacy laws and you'll see what I mean, it takes reading and comparing the laws with EU laws and German laws.

And secondly, tutanota did one mistake that's about politics but I can't tell you what because 1.) we don't discuss politics and 2.) the domain with a proof has been sold recently and I don't know another source.

 

[Tomedi]

Tutanota because it's in Germany is subject to German laws which are not as privacy friendly and swiss laws which apply to Proton.
google out about swiss privacy laws and you'll see what I mean, it takes reading and comparing the laws with EU laws and German laws.

Since you obviously know the difference, why don't you explain it to me?

And secondly, tutanota did one mistake that's about politics but I can't tell you what because 1.) we don't discuss politics and 2.) the domain with a proof has been sold recently and I don't know another source.

That still would be discussing Tutanota. Nothing's wrong with it.

 

[Terminal Velocity]

Since you obviously know the difference, why don't you explain it to me?

That's a lot of work, even if I had in hand the differences in laws in those countries I wouldn't schooled them to you. We learn from the news, start watching the news related to the internet from around the world

Common sense is also required

 

[Tomedi]

That's a lot of work, even if I had in hand the differences in laws in those countries I wouldn't schooled them to you. We learn from the news, start watching the news related to the internet from around the world

Common sense is also required

So you don't know, but you know, because you watch the news and use common sense. Good luck to those who are taking a legal advice from you...

 

[Terminal Velocity]

So you don't know, but you know, because you watch the news and use common sense. Good luck to those who are taking a legal advice from you...

I'm not a lawyer and I don't offer legal advice to anyone, I just write to this thread so I can react with ''Neo'' to Caffeine Addict posts and the other guys... Good luck to you too to your endeavors

 

[Tomedi]

I'm not a lawyer...

And you can't provide any evidence to back your bold claims. I've googled about Swiss privacy law and learned that part of it apply only to Swiss residents. Also, I've seen charts comparing refFADP and GDPR and couldn't see really significant differences. The Swiss Federal Council maintains a list of countries deemed to have adequate data protection. This includes all EEA countries and the UK. No matter what you believe, Swiss courts and authorities will cooperate with their European counterparts and grant access to Proton's users data when asked.

 

[Brickwizard]

Admin may be away, but its no excuse,
Come on Boys[generic] keep it clean friendly and avoid the P word
for all our sakes.

 

[Terminal Velocity]

And you can't provide any evidence to back your bold claims. I've googled about Swiss privacy law and learned that part of it apply only to Swiss residents. Also, I've seen charts comparing refFADP and GDPR and couldn't see really significant differences. The Swiss Federal Council maintains a list of countries deemed to have adequate data protection. This includes all EEA countries and the UK. No matter what you believe, Swiss courts and authorities will cooperate with their European counterparts and grant access to Proton's users data when asked.

I usually give my email address together with my full name when asked by authorities and organisations that I have business with, So if they ever wonder to who it belongs this email address they already have it by me, and that's the only info they will get if they ask Proton for IP's and recovery emails (Which is optional to use).

What's in the inbox is private and I chose to believe the word of Protonmail that they have 0 knowledge. And I have confirmed by various cases on the news that Protonmail does not hand to other countries authorities user's data, That's all I need to know in my use case

I don't open email accounts in German providers, I will never change my mind on that, I have seen enough in Germany, They hunt the far right and everything is open for investigation, there is no privacy there and so it is in my country which is a protectorate of Germany. I don't want to go political but it's obvious that you don't know what you are talking about, you are probably an American

I advertise Protonmail because I think they are doing something right for a very small price or free at all. I have nothing to gain I just want to see that provider grow, will be good for the society also

 

[Terminal Velocity]

Tutanota is German under STASI jurisdiction, they can be only so privet. Proton is Swiss, best human rights laws in the world, still not perfect but is your best bet

I said ''this is your best bet'' you don't read at all

 

[CaffeineAddict]

So you don't know, but you know, because you watch the news and use common sense. Good luck to those who are taking a legal advice from you...

I've been reading swiss privacy laws and EU laws regarding privacy long time ago and like @Condobloke said explaining this to you would be a lot of work, you have to read it yourself.

If you really want to know start here:
EU law: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2016/679/oj
Swiss law: https://www.kmu.admin.ch/kmu/en/hom...new-federal-act-on-data-protection-nfadp.html

 

[Tomedi]

And I have confirmed by various cases on the news that Protonmail does not hand to other countries authorities user's data, That's all I need to know in my use case

As far I know, Tutanota also doesn't do it. And the whole discussion started when I asked why Proton is more private than Tutanota.

I don't want to go political but it's obvious that you don't know what you are talking about, you are probably an American

I'm Polish. Been leaving in Scotland for almost 20 years, but for the first 12 years of my live I lived in a communist state.

That's the problem with your arguments. You just assume to much and, as we can clearly see in here, you are simply wrong.

I advertise Protonmail because I think they are doing something right for a very small price or free at all. I have nothing to gain I just want to see that provider grow, will be good for the society also

I use Proton, too. I like it more than Tuta, but not for their privacy policies. Both Proton and Tuta provide good privacy oriented solutions. They don't read, analyze, copy, share or sale your data. I can't see any privacy related reasons why Tuta's users should move to Proton.

 

[CaffeineAddict]

Both Proton and Tuta provide good privacy oriented solutions. They don't read, analyze, copy, share or sale your data. I can't see any privacy related reasons why Tuta's users should move to Proton.

According to whom?
Proton since it is in Switzerland (a neutral country) is not required to obey demands from foreign countries.
Germany however is under influence of NSA and the US, and so their privacy laws are designed with that in mind.

The adequacy decision follows the US' signature of an Executive Order on ‘Enhancing Safeguards for United States Signals Intelligence Activities', which introduced new binding safeguards to address the points raised by Court of Justice of the European Union in its Schrems II decision of July 2020. Notably, the new obligations were geared to ensure that data can be accessed by US intelligence agencies only to the extent of what is necessary and proportionate, and to establish an independent and impartial redress mechanism to handle and resolve complaints from Europeans concerning the collection of their data for national security purposes.

Questions & Answers: EU-US Data Privacy Framework

On 10 July, the European Commission adopted its adequacy decision for the EU-U.S. Data Privacy Framework. The adequacy decision concludes that the United States ensures an adequate level of protection

ec.europa.eu

 

[Tomedi]

Proton since it is in Switzerland (a neutral country) is not required to obey demands from foreign countries.

It's not required, but it did obey demands from other countries, so there is a massive problem with this argument. I'm also not a lawyer, but from what I've found on the internet it looks like Swiss authorities are likely to treat differently cases involving Swiss citizens/residents.

The main point is that both Tuta and Proton don't read, analyze, scan, sell or share your data as a part of their business. They also encrypt your data and all they can provide if asked by courts and autorities is a very limited information about you. Do you really believe that government agencies from other countries can read Tuta's users emails just like that? Come on... Of course, I'm talking about sending from one Tuta account to another Tuta account, as sending emails between different providers has no security/privacy at all. So, what's the point of this "Proton good, Tuta bad" rant?

 

[KGIII]

Some of you are flying a bit close to the sun.

Politics is strictly forbidden. Nobody is above this rule.

 

[Tomedi]

Some of you are flying a bit close to the sun.

Politics is strictly forbidden. Nobody is above this rule.

I'm new here and thought that only pure politics threads in off-topic were banned. Apologies. I'm gonna follow the rules from now on.

Back to the topic:

Email - Proton, Tutanota
Browsers - Brave, Librewolf, Waterfox
Cloud storage - Proton, Filen

 

[Brickwizard]

I'm new here and thought that only pure politics threads in off-topic

Because we have members in almost every country you can think of the site owners banned any political post many years back, and it has remained so.

I have an affection for Poles, A sqdr of day fighters were stationed at one of the same airfields as my dad, he said they were among the most fearless pilots he ever met

 

[KGIII]

I'm new here and thought that only pure politics threads in off-topic were banned.

Yeah, political discussion is strictly off limits, as is religion, things of a sexual nature, and stuff like that.

Those are areas where people don't maintain civility and this is not the place for that content.

Depending on the context, statements of fact are probably not going to raise much ire. But, there are thousands of sites where you can discuss those things. So, that content belongs on those sites.