Finland’s Most-Wanted Hacker Nabbed in France

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Finland’s Most-Wanted Hacker Nabbed in France​




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February 5, 2023

Julius “Zeekill” Kivimäki, a 25-year-old Finnish man charged with extorting a local online psychotherapy practice and leaking therapy notes for more than 22,000 patients online, was arrested this week in France. A notorious hacker convicted of perpetrating tens of thousands of cybercrimes, Kivimäki had been in hiding since October 2022, when he failed to show up in court and Finland issued an international warrant for his arrest.


 
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He's been a busy lad !
 
I have a feeling they're counting things like those 22k files released as individual offenses.

I don't really think of crime when I think of Finland.
 
I have a feeling they're counting things like those 22k files released as individual offenses.

I don't really think of crime when I think of Finland.
I'm wondering if there was just some financial benefit to doing that? Or what?
 
I'm wondering if there was just some financial benefit to doing that? Or what?

If you've got 22k different offenses, you're bound to find 'em guilty for at least a percentage of 'em.

That and the state likes to elevate charges at the time of arrest of while hunting a fugitive, but they plead out to a few reduced charges at the end of the day.
 
If you've got 22k different offenses, you're bound to find 'em guilty for at least a percentage of 'em.

That and the state likes to elevate charges at the time of arrest of while hunting a fugitive, but they plead out to a few reduced charges at the end of the day.
So you think in this particular case, our finnish criminal didn't actually doxx patient records? I guess I'm just interested in whether there's any money in stealing records from a therapist, and what kind of person pays for stuff like that? Advertising company?
 
I guess I'm just interested in whether there's any money in stealing records from a therapist, and what kind of person pays for stuff like that? Advertising company?
Probably health insurance companies ?
 
So you think in this particular case, our finnish criminal didn't actually doxx patient records?

I have no idea whose comment you read, but that can't possibly be from reading my comment.
 
I have no idea whose comment you read, but that can't possibly be from reading my comment.
No it wasn't, it was from the original story lol. I'm just responding to you as if i was at some bar talking to a group of people about that finnish guy or something.
 
I have no idea whose comment you read, but that can't possibly be from reading my comment.
More specifically, i was just responding to the fact that you're skeptical about what the police did, and you know i'm understanding of that...I'm overall somewhat clueless in terms of what Condobloke posted on the forum.
 
More specifically, i was just responding to the fact that you're skeptical about what the police did, and you know i'm understanding of that...I'm overall somewhat clueless in terms of what Condobloke posted on the forum.

It's not skepticism, it's literally what they do.

For example, they'll attribute 21 kills to a serial killer but in court they'll end up only charging him for four of them.

Or, they'll catch a dude with some weed, some pills, and a firearm. In the end, they'll plea out to an agreement where it's just a firearm charge.

So, they'll say he's got 'tens of thousands' of offenses, but they're not going to actually charge him for all those things. They're doing things like counting each leaked file (probably) as its own offense. When it gets to court he'll face far fewer charges. Out of those thousands of charges, the prosecutor (who represents the state) is sure to at least get a few convictions.

This is what happens in most countries where you have an independent judicial system. Also, welcome to the world of 'plea agreements'.

Also, 5 years in a Finnish jail probably won't be all that traumatic.
 
Also, 5 years in a Finnish jail probably won't be all that traumatic.
Rather him than me !

He is over 6' in height and a 'pretty boy' with a big mouth

All things are possible.
 
When it gets to court he'll face far fewer charges

That may be likely, David, but not guaranteed.

Finland only introduced plea bargaining in 2015, and you're only speculating, I suspect, about the charges being reduced in number.

The Finnish Judicial system does not have trial by jury, but rather, three judges, which is similar to France.

I expect the offender will have a better idea on Finnish jails, too. If they follow the Norwegian model he may be lucky.

Sources
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-74851-7_14
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_system_of_Finland

Wiz
 
All things are possible.

I have seen a documentary or three about Finnish jails. Unless you're a hardcore criminal, it's more like a college campus (especially when contrasted against other jails and prisons).

I wouldn't want to go to one, but I'd rather go to a Finnish prison than go to one in South Africa or Peru.

Heck, I'd rather go to a Finnish prison than almost any American prison. We do have a cushy prison in Connecticut. It's a federal joint for white-collar criminals. I wouldn't want to go there, but it'd be better than some.

Ideally, I'll never see the inside of another detention facility. (I used to work in one, that wasn't all that bad.)

I actually have a more-than-passing interest in incarceration due to having worked in the field while enlisted. I was what civilians would call a 'transportation officer'. Except I was not an officer.

I moved detainees from one location to another, and usually back again. It was very different than a civilian facility. I applied to work at a civilian facility back in my college days, and declined their offer of employment for reasons too long (and off topic) to get into.

Your Australian prisons are pretty tame as well, but I think I'd still prefer Finland.

If you want to learn about some of the crappy conditions, try a YouTube video for Lurigancho Prison (it has another name, but it escapes me at the moment) in Lima, Peru. I've visited random Americans there, dropping off a few dollars and a few books in English for them while I was in the area.

That's a scary place - and you just get let into the facility to visit. There's no visiting room or anything. You just get, quite literally, let into the prison.

Key point: DO NOT GO TO PRISON!

There is no prison I'd "like" to go to. Just that some are significantly better than others.

Also, I think Finns are pretty much all 6' or taller. They're a pretty tall people.
 
It's not skepticism, it's literally what they do.

For example, they'll attribute 21 kills to a serial killer but in court they'll end up only charging him for four of them.

Or, they'll catch a dude with some weed, some pills, and a firearm. In the end, they'll plea out to an agreement where it's just a firearm charge.

So, they'll say he's got 'tens of thousands' of offenses, but they're not going to actually charge him for all those things. They're doing things like counting each leaked file (probably) as its own offense. When it gets to court he'll face far fewer charges. Out of those thousands of charges, the prosecutor (who represents the state) is sure to at least get a few convictions.

This is what happens in most countries where you have an independent judicial system. Also, welcome to the world of 'plea agreements'.

Also, 5 years in a Finnish jail probably won't be all that traumatic.
Ive sometimes thought about what kind of punishment i would get if the cops added up all my petty illegal activities on a leger, i heard in some movie "if there any justice in the world, then everyone would be in prison"
 
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and you're only speculating,

I am indeed, but I'm speculating with some knowledge about it. I find the justice system fascinating. I believe they still have a supreme court with five judges? I'm not sure which he'd face, actually.

LOL Can you imagine how long they'd have to spend in court for 22k (or 10's of thousands) charges?

Here's some speculation...

He'll get 5 to 7 years and probation.

That's my official prediction.

LOL We should set up a way to wager on this stuff. I don't bet on sports, but I'd waste money on that.
 
"if there any justice in the world, then everyone would be in prison"

There's an old saying and I've completely forgotten it.

Maybe someone here will remember, 'cause Google isn't helping... It's basically this:

"If you give me a man's writing and it is long enough, I can find something in that writing to have them hung by sundown." (It was definitely 'man', 'cause the saying was that old.)

That's horribly inaccurate as a quote, but that's the gist of it.

If I'd been caught for every little thing I've done, I'd be in prison for life. Heck, back in the day it was socially acceptable to drive while drunk. I drove drunk for years. (I have not driven drunk in years.)

That alone would be enough times to put me in prison until I'm dead and gone.
 
I don't think people like this deserve to be acknowledged on the forum as in they didn't do the world any good but only caused innocent people to be a victim by his actions.
 

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