So I have tried (have a lot of DVD's burned) Ubuntu, Mint, Knoppix 7.2, Lubuntu, Crunchbang and Suse KDE. Ubuntu is the only one that I can get a clean working install. Suse might work but I stopped the install because of my fear of partition choice menu. The ones that I did install all have basically the same issue, they start to boot but then the HD just stops. Knoppix shows my Nvidia, some other stuff and then stops. Crunchbang may have worked but for some reason it didn't want to accept my user name / password combo. Except for Mint, they all work fine using the live CD. Install and it all breaks. So I guess I am stuck with Ubuntu and hope that I can get the WiFi working with it. From what I read it is a sticky issue with Broadcom drivers. Knoppix live CD found the WiFi without a problem, the bottom on the laptop lit up and everything. I really, really wanted Knoppix to work. When installing Knoppix I followed this video . When he chose the partition for Knoppix he didn't choose an Ext format. Wonder if I should have just chose the ext4? I could try it again but man it takes a long time and then you get nothing. Frustrating! Computer is: HP AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 2 GB of ram HP Pavillion ZV5000 I fear that with this experiment that one of these times fixmbr isn't going to work. So it is time to do the partition thing.