Do not use Ubuntu !!!

Discussion in 'Ubuntu' started by cooltoad, May 29, 2013.

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  1. lobo

    lobo Active Member

    Nov 30, 2013
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    As with Red Hat, Suse, etc... also - nothing wrong with that.

    You can remove that shit, but yes it's bad news.... you should have provided a link though...

    As above.

    As above.

    Yes it violates DFSG. Links/sources?


    Yes... but you forgot the CLA...

    Irrelevant nonsense.

    Didn't read - as you included only wikipedia and moronix. You should provide citations for each claim and/or go back and do some real research - otherwise you don't really have a case and will be met only with derision...
  2. MikeyD

    MikeyD Active Member

    Jul 23, 2013
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    Then why do you not address the rest of Windows and Mac users? That is what I am referring to and that is the demographic that can be brought in through Ubuntu and converted to GNU/Linux yet you only mention the ignorant so what am I supposed to assume?

    This was the point you were making. There is no point in trying to convert those people so let them happily use Ubuntu this still doesn't negate the fact that Ubuntu also brings in those new or ignorant to Linux but that are eager to learn and explore GNU/Linux offerings. There is no GNU/Linux vs Ubuntu to a new user. Linux is just Linux and they haven't signed a 3-year Ubuntu contract.

    I'm sure he was very offended of being "accused" of hating Canonical. Of course I pulled 90+% out of thin air, and I'm not for turning Linux into the new Windows, but I am against the stifling of change for the same reason. There should be room for both the customizing power user and the casual "just want it to work" user within the Linux community. I just don't understand what the problem is bringing in old Windows or Mac users through Ubuntu. A user sees Ubuntu as Linux no matter what you and I see it as, and for some users that will open the door to other versions of "Linux" and eventually to more niche distros.

    The "2 hour seminar thing" came from this:
    Again, we've established that we don't care about those people. Linux, GNU or otherwise, is not nearly as "niche" as it was even 5 years ago and that will continue to change as users look for alternatives to the increasingly restrictive versions of Windows. These are the people we want. People who care about how their computer runs and want to learn more, but are only familiar with Windows and have never tried Linux. Ubuntu offers an easy, straightforward way to download and try a "version" of Linux and helps the user ease into one of the first big hurdles of Linux, installing the OS.

    I first used Ubuntu and only stayed with it for a few months before I was switching to other distros that got progressively more and more "hands on." There seems to be this idea that once a Windows user makes the switch they will only stay with Ubuntu while I see that as a small minority. It took me all of 1-2 days after installing Ubuntu to learn that there were tons of other distros out there to try and any bad habits acquired from Ubuntu (which are minor with the average user interacting less at the command-line and more with GUI programs the Windows habits are probably much more detrimental) are squashed by the communities of these other distros fairly quickly.

    When did I ever mention "dumbing down" GNU/Linux? The fact is Canonical seems to want to differentiate themselves from GNU/Linux, and they have already dumbed down their OS. Instead of fighting against it to no effect, I'm saying embrace it as a way to still potentially bring in GNU/Linux users, at least while Ubuntu is still referred to as "Linux," without affecting actual GNU/Linux development. I'd love to be able to play more games on my Linux computer without having to go through a VM, does that mean I want to "dumb down" the product? I don't think so. But I'd love to see more functionality. No good comes out of turning our noses at people interested in learning and possibly developing for Linux in the future.

    I'm not going to keep fueling this fire as obviously no one's opinion is going to change so this will be my last post. I just think stepping back and looking at the "damage" Canonical has done in comparison with Windows or Mac is minimal at best and still offers benefits to the GNU/Linux community.
  3. arochester

    arochester Super Moderator Staff Member

    Nov 23, 2012
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    The Original Post was made to several Forums on 29th May.

    As far as I know the Original Poster has never returned to the scene.

    Are we going to see interminable argument here without any meaningful outcome?

    There are some people who support Ubuntu. There are some people who condemn it. Some argue black, some argue white. Few argue shades of grey.

    What is the end position here? Is there one? If not, people must agree to differ...
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  4. ryanvade

    ryanvade Administrator Staff Member Staff Writer

    Aug 4, 2012
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    @arochester I think you are right. They have had their fun.
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