Do not use Ubuntu !!!

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  1. cooltoad

    cooltoad New Member

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    For the following reasons don't install or recommend Ubuntu.

    1. Development of Ubuntu is led by Canonical, Ltd. a UK-based "trading" company which generates revenue through the sale of "technical support" and "services."

    2. By installing users agree to allow Ubuntu's parent company Canonical to collect user search data and IP addresses and to disclose this information to third parties including Facebook, Twitter, BBC and Amazon.

    3. The adwares and spywares introduced in Ubuntu violates user's privacy and is one of the rare occasions in which a free software developer persists in keeping a malicious feature in its version of a program.

    4. Whenever user searches the local files for a string using Ubuntu desktop, Ubuntu sends that string to one of Canonical's servers.


    5. Ubuntu has received widespread objection from the open source community for violating free system distribution guidelines.

    6. Canonical disgruntled upstream open source developers by introducing Mir, their own display server not derived from X11 or Wayland.

    7. Ubuntu's policy prohibits commercial redistribution of exact copies of Ubuntu, denying the baseline freedom.

    8. Ubuntu is basically Debian with extra "cool" look and is not binary compatible with Red Hat Enterprise Linux and CentOS which are used for most scientific development.

    references:
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)
    gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
    phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTMxNzY
    gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html
    linuxlock.blogspot.com/2013/05/ubuntu-and-their-uck-y-problem.html
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  2. euantorano

    euantorano New Member

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    On the other hand:
    1. Ubuntu is a great starting point for beginners due to the wealth of information and guides available.
    2. Ubuntu has helped Linux become more mainstream.
    3. Ubuntu and Canonical have helped forge relationships with software vendors who might never have worked on the Linux platform (eg: Steam, Lightworks).
    I do agree Ubuntu is not great for "power users" or seasoned Linux fans, but it is a great distribution to get users started with Linux.
  3. EdWh

    EdWh New Member

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    To Euantorano.

    I do not agree with you that we should not use Ubuntu. Google is worse than anyone for stealing your info and selling it one way or another and they all do this through tracking, etc. I am not fond of all this junk the advertising forced on you it horrible but it generates revenue for them. I feel as long as they do effect the performance of my machine and since I paid nothing for the system I do not have to much to grumble about. I gave up Ubuntu a couple of years ago in 2008 to be specific and used Mint but Mint has glitches and they do jot fix them so I returned to Ubuntu Kde desktop last month and again no cost to me, you cannot have everything. EdWh
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    EdWh New Member

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    I forgot to include that I gave up Ubuntu when they forced their new desktop on me, no one forces me into anything without paying a price. Maybe some like the Win 8 Desktop but I will never use it. I was actually surprised at the Kde desktop, I used it a few years ago it was so, command line oriented, I gave it up. Now it almost likened to XP and Win 7 desktops that you just have to learn new names for things and finding some of them are difficult but command line now is kept hidden and you have to search it out to use it. To say the least I like it with the exception of the widget nonsense, trying to get your own choice of desktop background is vicious but I finally fooled it and loaded my own. EdWh
  5. Rob

    Rob Administrator Staff Member

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    Euantorano was actually arguing the OP's point.. :)
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  6. euantorano

    euantorano New Member

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    Exactly, though I do dislike how they don't respect privacy. I'm just glad they added a disclaimer recently to their dash.
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    ryanvade Administrator Staff Member Staff Writer

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    For a little netbook like mine (Asus Eee PC 1005ha 1.8Ghz Atom 2 GB RAM) I think Lubuntu 13.04 is the best of breed, though Xubuntu and Kubuntu weren't too bad. Ubuntu/Unity sucks on it, even the Win7 I have as my dual boot OS performs better than that thing (as of Ubuntu 12.10 anyway).
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    Mandapanda82 New Member

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    What about Ubuntu 13.04, I'm having a hard time installing Mint, now it maybe a problem with the dvd but I thought I'd give Ubuntu a try. I'm new to both so I thought it would easier, but from the sound of it your saying the plain version is really bad. Is this true or is just not the best for real Linux user ?
  10. ryanvade

    ryanvade Administrator Staff Member Staff Writer

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    It all depends on your system specs and what software you are running. For example. Older hardware generally runs slower with Ubuntu (standard). That is because Unity is a resource heavy (compared to other DEs. Still much better then Windows). If you have older hardware you should try something like Lubuntu or Xubuntu. Remixes like Ultimate edition 3.4.1 that have other DEs like Mate run on older systems too. Of course you can always go back to the beginning and use Debian. #! is great for older systems, but lacks user friendliness.
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    You can change the settings:
    system settings >> Privacy >> [Record Activity (off)] "When searching in the Dash.." [Off]
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  12. MikeyD

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    Ubuntu has its place and is good at what it does, which is a jumping off point for new Linux users to get acclimated to the OS. That being said I haven't used Ubuntu in 5+ years and I don't plan on ever using it again unless required for the same reasons the OP stated. It is the Micro$oft of the Linux world.

    However, there is a price to pay for stability and the "support" of a large company. Canonical has to make money somewhere. That's the price you have to pay for the ease of use, stability, and cross-platform compatibility Ubuntu offers.

    I agree with the criticisms of Ubuntu and Canonical. I think they are increasingly giving the proverbial middle finger to the open source community, but if one in every 1000 newbies that Ubuntu lures away from OS X/Windows goes on to love and develop for Linux then I see it as a success.
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  13. Cyber-Berserker

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    No, because Shuttleworth wants to attract Windows users with a monetarily free OS. His target demographic is people who do not want to learn anything, so they will become dependent on his Ubuntu cult. Which, in itself, does not create a problem. The problem is when those who are willing to learn and are interested in free software move on to other systems after "learning" the basics with Buntu. For example; Ubuntu's retarded set-up of disabling the root account and using sudo with unlimited root access. Hordes of people who have left the tainted OS behind now want to re-configure Debian, Slackware, and whatever, to use sudo and a password for every administrative task, instead of su to log in as root, enter one password, do what needs to be done and exit, because that is what they "leaned" with Ubuntu. An entry point to the Linux world should teach people the basics, and properly. But that is not what Buntu is about. It is about making money for Mark Shuttleworth.

    And by the way
    is wrong. Canonical is not British. It is a company Shuttleworth created to register trademarks and be the front for his slightly modified Debian system. Shuttleworth was a South African aristocrat who left South Africa when government had the audacity to tax his earnings. He moved himself, his money and Canonical to The Isle of Man. A tax haven within the territory of the U.K., but not part of it.

    The main thing that makes Ubuntu bad, even worse than spying on its users and putting Amazon links on the desktop, is how Ubuntu leaches off the work of others, without contributing anything back to the open source community. Not only do they not contribute, but they also do not acknowledge the debt they owe others. Almost all references to Debian, GNU and Linux have been purged from the Ubuntu universe. The Ubuntu kernel? Ubuntu Classic? Heaven forbid Ubuntu acknowledge the people they live off of. And the last I heard, Microsoft invests more in the development of the Linux kernel than Canonical does. A real valued member of the Linux community.:rolleyes:

    No. See above.
  14. MikeyD

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    Well you obviously have a deep hatred for canonical. At the end of the day its an operating system not a way of life and many people who just want to log onto a computer and check Facebook want something reliable and people like you are the reason Linux is considered a dead OS to the 90+% of the population who aren't techies. Ubuntu has the money to bring people to Linux and yes they're usually coming from Windows but it that really a bad thing? The people who like it will stay and those who don't won't. I started on Windows because my parents computer ran Windows 95. I think MOST people on these forums started on windows. The beauty of Linux is that there are distributions for everyone.

    I know a lot of brilliant Linux admins that started with Ubuntu hell a lot of the regulars on this forum started with Ubuntu. There are so many flavors and so much information people who really get Linux will move on and those who are comfortable with Ubuntu can stay with it. Is it really any worse than windows or Mac both of which have still stolen more and done more damage than canonical by far just check out the Halloween documents.

    I guess there will always be the"Linux elite" who want Linux to behave like Unix circa 1985 but I think there is room for distros to appeal to every type of user your way isn't everyone's way

    I can't believe you made me stick up for canonical
  15. Cyber-Berserker

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    If I am to be accused of harbouring deep hatred, it would be for Shuttleworth. Comical and Ubuntu are only his tools, and so only derserving of mild hatred.

    I am the opposite of a "techie". When I started using Linux I was computer illiterate. I still only know a little, but to put things in perspective, I learned more while using Debian for two months than I learned in almost three years using Ubuntu.

    The idea that because Linux gives the user power over the computer, at least minimal learning is necessary to pervent ignorant users from destroying their systems is not elitist. The biggest problem with Ubuntu, Mint and other "beginner distros" is not that they exist, but that they are marketed to attract Windows users with the lure of a free (no money) operating system that is point-and-click. Just like Windows and no need to learn something new. It has resulted in many people using Linux systems who have no understanding of free software. They do not care what proprietary crap ware is on the system, as long as the system works. I know this will attract more claims of "elitism", but understanding what free and open source software is and what it is about (the philosophy behind it) should be a prerequisite of using Linux and BSD. Attracting people from the Windows world and keeping them in the dark about the purpose and philosophy of free software harms Linux, not benefits it.

    Neither can I.
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  16. lobo

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    It's that simple eh? CB posted a lot of well researched facts, not just a rant from a typical "hater"... you haven't even addressed any of his points...
    They're free to go out and buy a mac or windows PC or anything else that can access the net in fact such as a smartphone, tablet, e-reader, whatever...
    Bollocks. GNU/Linux is not considered dead by anyone but the most ignorant of windows or mac users - and you will never get those people to "convert" to using a GNU/Linux system, so there's no point trying.
    Canonical have the money to bring people to Ubuntu, which is their primary objective. Canonical don't want anyone using GNU/Linux, they want a distinct product which just so happens to be "Linux based", the target end user is the kind of person who doesn't know and/or doesn't care what kernel the OS is running.
    No it's not worse than MS and Apple, but that doesn't mean that it's automatically a good thing.
    You're pigeon-holing and generalising about people you know nothing whatsoever about.
    That was your choice.
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    Yet...
    These forums are FILLED with posts along the lines of "Sick of Windows, want to try Linux need help." You are assuming anyone coming from Windows is obviously a mindless drone who will never fully appreciate other OSes, which is an equally strong generalization. The next generation of Linux gurus are going to be coming from Windows or Macs that their parents had at home growing up, and if people care they will do the research and end up trying a ton of different distros over the years. If a user tries Ubuntu and doesn't get it or just wants that point-and-click UI and never explores beyond Ubuntu then who cares.

    I'm just saying the beauty of Linux is in the diversity of distros that can appeal to everyone. Just because Ubuntu is around doesn't force you to use or even contribute to the project, and it's not hindering the growth of the medium since real advancements will still come from the bleeding edge distros. If anything, it is allowing Linux to evolve into different aspects of the tech world like the growth of Linux gaming due to companies like Steam supporting Linux and Nvidia cards releasing Linux-supported drivers. This is only because of the influx of users going to user-friendly distros like Ubuntu and Mint as an alternative to Windows.

    You both make far more generalizations about Windows/Mac users' inability to change than I ever did. If people are unwilling to bring in new talent without forcing a 2-hour "History of Unix" seminar on them, then Linux will be relegated to servers and niche audiences in the future.
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    Look, I think Ubuntu is okay as long as you apply the fix ubuntu patches.. Have you tried 14.04? The new Unity is awesome.
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    Rodrigo New Member

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    Check this video.

    Richard M Stallman: Four Freedom
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    Nope... I said "the most ignorant of windows and mac users". Which does not equate to all windows and mac users. It refers to a subset of people... Plenty of GNU/Linux distros also have such "followers" among their fanboi ranks...

    Not me... was this point even being contended? You seem to care though...
    Nope... you pulled "90+%" out of thin air and you accused someone of hating canonical for no good reason. And where did you get the "2 hour seminar" thing from?

    Supposing you're right on that last point though: Nothing wrong with servers and niche audiences...

    In fact GNU/Linux is already a niche thing. Go and ask the average person on the street what GNU/Linux is and I guarantee you that "90+%" won't have heard of it. In fact "90+%" won't have heard about 'buntu either... there are people better qualified and with higher intellect than you or I who have not heard of Linux and have no desire to hear about it.

    What many fanboi type Linux users fail to recognise is that the majority of web users don't care who makes their device or what OS or kernel it runs. That may sound like a generalisation or a big assumption - but it's an accurate assumption. GNU/Linux is a niche OS and trying to dumb things down to appeal to the masses is the wrong way to go and always has been. If GNU/Linux was to become a perfect OS for the average person and a competitor to windows and apple in 5 years time - it would have sold out most of it's principles to get there and would no longer be GNU/Linux. Canonical ltd's mission objective just seems to be to create another proprietary OS - via the back door - some people are very laissez-faire about this, but they obviously have no concept of what they are sacrificing - only to get back to where they started.
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